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"MotoGP Class - Effective 2014: The engine claiming rule is cancelled completely."

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TheBiscuit

July 05, 2013 6:36 PM

holy christ!

@rsmick and talent fan

go and head out and buy some lube and then go get a room and you can f**k each other into oblivion to see who is right. eleventy million pages of your back and forth nonsense just clogs up threads. thanks.

RSMick

July 05, 2013 6:50 PM
Last Edited 410 days ago

And?
Whats another couple of kilobyte of trash to everthing else thats on here?
You don't have to read it!

And why would I want to spill my jizz up someone I am debating with? always makes me wonder about people who make that kind of comment,

TedG

July 05, 2013 10:01 PM

This is just awesome. Two guys having a difference of opinion and it not turning into a spitting contest.
This is a healthy debate that I have enjoyed reading. I think both have valid points.

TalentFan

July 05, 2013 10:28 PM

I'm not trying to say CE is the Antichrist. Or Dorna.

But something has to explain just why MotoGP has had rules instigated which put control of the top half of the field in the hands of the factories (the important end), and a non competitive field guarantee.

So.... Are CE and Dorna incompetent? If not then there has to another reason. Why ARE MotoGP,s guardians not doing the job right?

TalentFan

July 05, 2013 10:58 PM

I also like .... "Single ECU Map for a race - fixed - no corner-by corner etc. It wouldn't work and likely to put guys in hospital"

So.... These are the best riders in the world. Yet they don't have the throttle control and ability of the best from previous years when this wasn't available?

Simple .... It'd be up to teams n riders to set the bikes and power delivery up the old fashioned way and then let the racer who manages the job best win.

Again you may have heard of this concept. They used to call it Racing!

RSMick

July 06, 2013 9:31 AM
Last Edited 409 days ago

Talent Fan
The ECU does not just control, things like TC, LC, AW, every engine has different characteristics, so a single map would not work. It took nearly 3 days just to get an engine to do a lap for the CRT boys in Sepang. To set up the bike the old fashioned way would need to go back to carbs, do you remember the 2003 Kawasaki?
Again Motogp is all about R&D, who do you think pays for it? if you really think the rider does nothing but pull back the throttle you are insane. The ECU minimum scan is probably the 30ms if not more it goes up the more it has to do, so it would take probably so the first reaction from the Ecu once it has calculated the problem around 0.5 seconds then the engine has to react without cutting the power totally as that would highside them, too long.
Ever seen the hand waving in the pits and the crowd around them? everybody has to decode that, its a team sport.

RSMick

July 06, 2013 9:57 AM

The race is not just about the rider but about the team, if you want different club racing or the Redbull Rookies are for you.
This is life it moves on, as a staunch 2 stroke fan, I have 3, in the late 90's everybody said they were pointless and crowds were dropping like crazy, now there gone some want them back. They were only 160bhp, yes light switch power but so are these at 250, the ECU cannot work correct everything.
Ever watch Pedrosa ride? because he is so light he has to stand the bike up before putting the throttle on full, Marquez was supreme in Moto2, no aids in that.
To put in perspective, take your car to a specialist ask them to program your ECU to react accordingly when you head into a corner, then take your car and try and take that corner without doing anything but steer, you will take your foot off the throttle, then the ECU will go into panic as it trys to work out what is different.

TalentFan

July 06, 2013 4:23 PM

I don't see what is wrong with realising that too much technology and electronics is a bad thing.

Once tech ( as it is now) is sterilising racing and inhibiting the ability of the rider to demonstrate his ability against his peers then its time to say 'enough'.

I can see Honda wanting to prove its the bike not the rider and so make a case that any rider and every rider will be faster/better/safer/whatever on a Honda.

Thing is racing fans want to see which PILOT has the greater skill and talent and cheer them on. Whether mfrs like it or not the machine IS ( and should be) secondary to the rider.

People will watch athletics or any sport where it's one person v another or more in a contest. If it was unmanned and fully automated machines they would not be anything like as interested.

Mfrs seem intent on making racing about as involving as a group test of washing machines so they can prove which is best.

We cannot underestimate the importance of the racer - the human personal

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