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"MotoGP Class - Effective 2014: The engine claiming rule is cancelled completely."

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lean two

July 03, 2013 3:44 AM
Last Edited 533 days ago

crt aren't going anywhere soon maybe by 2016 they'll be gone considering 26 teams fr next year an 12 of those would have been crt's but now with the new Honda production and Yamaha engine lease your gona see Privateers, sats and factory bikes, and the privateers can lease Yamaha engine use the mag ecu, and still get the the soft tire and extra gas... so expect to see a few teams convert to the Honda and Yamaha reducing the current 12, down to about 6 privateers that wont change anything, like aprillia who is developing a pneumatic valve sys for next year if not sooner. next year is looking to a better more competitive year closer racing that for sure

Fozly

July 03, 2013 11:07 AM

The Honda production bike is being sold not leased correct?

It might be of no use to anyone but presumably you can buy a Honda and then lease a Yamaha engine for it?

Hondamaha!

TalentFan

July 03, 2013 1:45 PM

The bigger picture? Dorna padded out the dismal grid with the CRT concept. Either by accident or design (hard to consider the latter with this news) they introduced the potential for a non-factory bike at much lower cost to go GP racing with.

If (IF) Dorna had followed through then we could have seen a shift away from only a full factory team being able to get a bike and team together fast enough to challenge at the front.

CRT's have forced the Mfr's to up the ante to keep what they really want - control of MotoGP and the ability to tilt things in their favour. So Dorna have traded the ability of teams to really challenge and have some control over their own destiny, for some Honda lease bikes and some Yam engines.

Really, MotoGP grass roots teams just got sold down the river again by Dorna. They'll NEVER win while this continues - so why do they bother?

TalentFan

July 03, 2013 1:59 PM

As far as I am concerned, Dorna seem NOT to be acting in the best interests of the Series that they are meant to be guardians of.

MotoGP and now WSBK are basically being prostituted out to the highest bidder IMO (The Mfrs). No matter if the Series suffers, gets poorly-treated and damaged by this - just so long as the cash keeps rolling in eh?

There seems NO commitment to true competition, CREDIBILITY, sustainability, parity, fairness and for effort, skill and application to have any chance of reward. So the core values of Sport are openly sacrificed on the altar of business, thus ensuring that what we get served up is manufactured like a soap-opera, not true sporting competition.

The biggest shame is that fans are too busy squabbling over crumbs to see the bigger picture and realise the sport itself is a parody of truth and one big con-job.

RSMick

July 03, 2013 2:10 PM
Last Edited 532 days ago

Talent fan you seem to be 180deg in the wrong direction, Dorna introduced production based engines in the class to prove to the manufacturers that they don't need them, CRT was just the name and to stop the likes of Aprilia putting full works bikes out there but gain extra engines and fuel, simply bypassing the MSMA.
Now that risk will go there is still nothing to stop any team fielding a production based engine, just now they don't have the worry of spending over 100k on an engine and losing it for 20. Not that it would happen a bit embarrasing for a manufacturer but the threat was there. It forced Nakamoto to have a swipe at Aprilia stating that it could be done better than that and prove it. The manufacturers also must be slightly embarrassed that nearly all spending a fraction what they do can get to finish on the same lap after 70 miles.
Word is that Honda are struggling to sell their bikes and some worried about the Yamaha package.

RSMick

July 03, 2013 2:16 PM

Cont.
We have been here before with the ROC/Harris and NSRV,sell the package then just stop supporting it. Unlike the RS triples the TZ an RG before had a longer shelf life although new models came out every year there were national championships to pass them on to. Yamaha did a reasonable job with the YZR but got upset when teams were sourcing parts from the likes of HB (abbrev) and stopped the sytem.The difference is this time Dorna have a contigincey.

TalentFan

July 03, 2013 2:41 PM

@ RS Mick

Yes, I 'get' the 'claiming rule' bit. Basically though I think we are on the same page.

My issue is that the 'concept' of reducing the runaway tech and escalating costs with the CRT bikes has now been removed and taken the brakes off. So once again a Mfr can wave the chequebook and buy results.

CRT at inception was (I hoped) a true effort to release the grip the factories had on MotoGP's direction. Instead, it seems it was just a lever to force a better deal out of the factories for the Dorna pound of flesh.

As I say... real racing enthusiasts (be they Fan, Sponsor, Team Owner or Racer - in fact anyone) are watching MotoGP and WSBK being compromised badly - and all cos Dorna are feathering their own nest by being in bed with the factories IMO.

TalentFan

July 03, 2013 2:54 PM
Last Edited 532 days ago

Lets face facts. Given just how potent a modern road sportsbike is, let alone a MotoGP, a CRT or a WSBK....

To have FAST, exotic racing motorcycles that require hairy-ar$ed, brave, fit and committed young men to ride them anything like to their potential - do we need...

Pneumatic Valves?
Carbon Brake Discs?
Electronics that set machines up perfectly for every inch of track and every corner?
An army of data-crunching geeks writing code and algorithms?

The answer is simple. NO.

As RS Mick implies. Lease bikes and engines etc. puts ALL the control of the competitiveness of the vast majority of the field into the hands of the main competition - the factories! Genius IQ is not needed to see the lunacy and scope for 'control' that places in the hands of Honda & Yamaha.

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