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"MotoGP Class - Effective 2014: The engine claiming rule is cancelled completely."

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RSMick

July 03, 2013 3:00 PM
Last Edited 511 days ago

They will be only waving their check book on the engine at the beginning of the season, developement s frozen from that point, the main reason why Suzuki are delaying, a factory who like Aprilia and Kawasaki, Dorna don't give a damn. Of course Dorna are looking after the manufacturers who stuck at it, as they are the teams who decided to invest when the chances of winning are impossible. As from the end of last year no team that uses factory equipment gets a subsidy from Dorna they get the start money, TV and travel fund, but thats it.
Think back a year Nakamoto said there is no way Honda would race with a spec ECU and would go to WSB where there on no limits on electronics, they even use the crash hated GPS system. That backfired and Dorna moved to the middle ground but got a good deal for privateers.
The system is better now than ever before apart from 2002 to 2006, manufaturers have always had their stamp on the championship, the last privateer to win a race to my knowledge - Cont.

RSMick

July 03, 2013 3:07 PM
Last Edited 511 days ago

Cont - was Jack Middelburg in 1981.

Pneumatic Valves? No Honda have said that so let them spend.
Carbon Brake Discs? Yes
Electronics that set machines up perfectly for every inch of track and every corner?
Read Phil Borley interview to set up a machine perfectly is a lot rarer than you think, this is a team sport and that is a part of it.
An army of data-crunching geeks writing code and algorithms?
The MSMA bikes especially do if they are to get through the season on 5 engines and each race with 20 litres of fuel, but all do. We have been here before, everybody wants better economy and endurance and precise control is the way to do it. If you don't like electronics chuck the device you are writing on in the bin and along with your car and bike.

As I have said to you before you want something that GP is not and never been.

TalentFan

July 03, 2013 3:20 PM

@ RS Mick. I like electronics well enough in the right place and in the right proportion. I'm sure you're plenty smart enough to see and know exactly what I mean. Is this Motorcycle Racing, or Microsoft v Apple Mac?

Racing needs some 'wiggle-room' where the skill of the rider and his decisions and acts can make a difference. Perfecting machines to the point where it is a given just how fast they will go at every single point then defeats the whole point of doing it - not to mention making it very boring.

The more geeks you can afford, the more perfect the bike will be, and the harder it will be to overtake, and the less input the human on it will have to the outcome, and it becomes a pointless and sterile thing - not Racing.

Carbon discs are not essential. They are a development dead-end and mean that you have to change bikes if it rains. Steel rotors work far more than "well enough". Ditto for pneumatic valves.

I don't care what the series has been. I care about what it sh

TalentFan

July 03, 2013 3:21 PM
Last Edited 511 days ago

cont......

I don't care what the series has been. I care about what it should BE.

And... the '5 engines and 20 Litres of Fuel' (or 21 like right now) is just a load of nonsense contrived by the Mfrs to maintain an edge through constraints no-one else without their resources could optimise. Such limits married with unlimited rpms is to have rules with diametrically opposite needs and just makes it an even tighter constraint and makes sure only the factories can win.

Like I said to you before... get a sensible rev limit and a single fixed map & ECU, then this eliminates any need for a geek army and pneumatic valves at a stroke as well as reduces fuel consumption. Smoke & mirrors!

RSMick

July 03, 2013 3:29 PM
Last Edited 511 days ago

Should be in your opinion, do you really think that a rider just sits on the bike twists his right hand, clicks his left foot a few times a lap and the electronics do everything else? The electronics is still a tiny part of the equation, there is more goes into the chassis than the control of the engine.
There is a great video on Motogp.com explaining just the swing arm, no electronics there.
What you want is manufactured racing like in F1 at the moment.

TalentFan

July 03, 2013 3:39 PM

Looked at sensibly and straightforwardly... there can be only ONE reason why the rules aren't changed in the simplest possible way to reduce costs and improve the Racing, but instead are convoluted, contradictory and over-complicated...

Because it suits somebody's AGENDA! The rules don't suit non-factory resources so that's most teams. It doesn't suit riders, who want to be able to beat their peers fair and square and prove they deserve their title. It won't suit most sponsors. It won't suit teams wanting to join. It only suits Honda & Yamaha it seems.

TalentFan

July 03, 2013 3:45 PM

NO Mick. The last thing I want is manufactured racing.

But no-one should want a series where there is a manufactured OUTCOME.

The way things are and are heading, then without accident or exceptional circumstance then the general finishing order is fixed (Japanese Factory, Japanese Satellite, Ducati/CRT and CRT pretty much).

Things are being arranged so that the first ones in that list have an artificially created situation which helps to perpetuate the status quo and make that 1st position permanent, with no real challengers.

That's not Racing.

TalentFan

July 03, 2013 3:57 PM

Honesty Welcome Notice to potential new Teams & Sponsors wishing to enter MotoGP....

"Hello and Welcome. Dorna would be happy to welcome new teams and sponsors to what we claim is the premier motorcycle racing series.

Please be advised that you join MotoGP on the strict & clear understanding that the structure of the series rules is designed so that you can take full part in the racing - but will not be allowed to actually win.

Teams other than Factory HRC & Yamaha will be permitted to challenge for the occasional podium* , but accept that wins and World Championships are the exclusive to HRC/Yam. (*Satellite Teams only - Private Teams or 'CRT' will be limited to places of 5th or lower, with an average finishing posution of 11th - 17th).

Dorna hope you enjoy wasting your time and money in a series you haven't a hope in hell of being allowed to genuinely compete in"

TalentFan

July 03, 2013 5:12 PM

@ RSMick "Stick all the riders on the same bike with no electronics, do you think the result will be different?"

It could be. For all we know, Alex Espagaro MIGHT be the fastest rider in MotoGP right now. He's riding that ART well enough to suggest he'd be pretty good.

Or, with the rider making the difference then (seeing as ALL these riders are in a premier international race series, and therefore 'a bit good') others may come to the fore.

What we DO know is that right now only 4 riders have the team/bike machinery opportunity in the field to compete for the WC. Even if the same guys were winning - it would be good to know that a lot more than 4 had a genuine opportunity to compete.

Ask anyone outside HRC/Yam factory team personnel if they'd prefer to have a genuine level playing field and chance to TRY to get the odd great result - you think they'd say 'nah - I prefer it like it is now'? Of course not.

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