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"MotoGP Class - Effective 2014: The engine claiming rule is cancelled completely."

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TalentFan

July 04, 2013 9:53 AM

@ RS Mick. Probably the example (maybe not a GOOD example) where there is very, very equal kit but with different marques is NASCAR. Closer to home, BSB manages to have teams running different makes of bike that are competitive (Honda, Kwak, BMW, Yamaha & Suzuki). Note NO full factory teams- coincidence? No.

Yes teams with more budget will gain advantages somewhere always. But not advantages EVERYWHERE (unless the weak Organisation in charge cannot control its own Series like Dorna clearly does not. Dorna is a Puppet on a String).

If Dorna had balls and HAD gone to a Moto1 type format by exorcising the factory teams and developing the CRT bikes into a single cohesive field, THEN we might just have got something good that attracted investment and sponsors. They'd also have a long-term viable and credible series that Teams, Sponsors, Riders and TV would ALL want to be in.

TalentFan

July 04, 2013 10:08 AM

What seems IMO to be lacking is VISION and a long-term one at that. Surely even the dumbest fan has to cotton on eventually that MotoGP has a small field that is stratified and 3-tier, and that the finishing order (in generality) is a known outcome long before a throttle twistgrip is opened.

Then they'll realise that the tech rules make it so that this cannot change, & that the top 2 teams can pretty much decide the outcome for the top half of the field any time they like if they wish to as they control the equipment & support.

Then the penny (FINALLY) drops... 'this isn't fair - it can be fixed, and I'm being lied to. This isn't competition, its soap-opera theatrics!'

Meanwhile, the grid-fillers struggle to get funds and sponsors as they are just 'extras' in an elaborate play - a farce where only 4 'stars' are created for fans to worship.

Sponsors defect, Grids shrink, viewers defect, MotoGP implodes.

TalentFan

July 04, 2013 10:22 AM

RSMick... In a Nutshell.

If you look at it then what I'm saying MotoGP should be is not just some pie-in-the-sky fairy-tale wish-list as you make it out to be.

Its actually a model which aligns much better the needs for competitive racing, with the commercial realities to fund it. The better the racing, the healthier the series, the more attractive to Teams, Sponsors, TV, Advertising, Racers etc. etc.

The needs of Factory teams and the demands of Giants like Repsol & Marlboro are clearly and obviously in opposition to Competitive Racing, and CANNOT be reconciled. So it makes good business sense to remove the barriers to the health and welfare of Motorcycle Sport - that is Factory Teams and influence on Series Regulations.

It's not fantasy, its good sense for MotoGP.

Southernx

July 04, 2013 10:24 AM

@TalentFan

Please don't tell me then that Media **** about certain British riders helps your cause.
Half the dribble on this very site talks up soap opera antics and hard done by and even mystic performances.
The answer IMAO is a standard class. Where perhaps a Brit = Spaniard=Yank and god forbid a Kiwi.

RSMick

July 04, 2013 10:41 AM
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So what you are saying talent fan, is remove the factories, remove the big sponsors and aim totally at close racing.
You cannot blame Dorna they don't set the rules, if you want to blame anyone blame the FIM or particularly Zerbi for getting in bed with Flamini and allowing WSB to come from a production based series to a prototypes of production bikes series, therefore making Motogp reliant on the factories for prototype bikes and allowing them to set the rules, remember the first CRT? Once CE put his eye on the ball and decided to start the change what happend? FGS started whinging again but this time CE and Ipollita said balls.
Whatever you say its what sells and your ideas don't.

TalentFan

July 04, 2013 11:05 AM

@ Southernx

Lets face it - you have to question whether half the stuff on the news/media is 'real' or some political 'spin' or manufactured event to garner attention and coverage and misdirect people from the facts. Its now a sad fact in everything from politics to celebrity and sport.
MotoGP is part of this artificial crud - and if it is moulded and arranged then its not 'real' and its NOT Sport, where endeavour against opponents on equal terms is everything.
Even a standard class can be corrupted where some are 'more equal than others', but in general I agree. Strong, independent Custodians which work to preserve fair competition and not corrupt the racing - that's what's vital.

All the evidence says that Dorna is NOT the right sort of custodian - just the opposite based on their actions.

TalentFan

July 04, 2013 11:14 AM

@ RSMick. If its 'whatever sells' and whats on offer is not what it claims to be, then I ain't buying. MotoGP will have to hope (& the sad fact is that they have a good chance) that there are enough simple-minded and easily-led fans who'll eat up whatever slop they are served up without question.

We cannot change history - so it matters not what led to the current mess, as long as the right lessons are learned from it and the right changes are made (which right now is NOT the case, and the same crud is being cooked up for WSBK).

The history blame game is pointless & solves nothing. If proper racing isn't the best way to sell racing (my argument) then please inform us.... what IS the right way forward? What IS going to make MotoGP the best race series it can be?

TalentFan

July 04, 2013 11:24 AM

@ RSMick. Bridgepoint are just a business, as long as the beancounters see a return, they dont care about the Racing. And they dont care about its future - they'll just invest in something else - the mighty dollar is their only motivation. So hardly a good endorsement.

You say I want to "remove the factories, remove the big sponsors and aim totally at close racing".

YES to the first.
No to the 2nd (but if the series is PROPERLY run then you can limit what the budget can buy to minimise the impact of a massive budget).
YES, ABSOLUTELY to to 3rd. It is THE KEY to the overall success and sustainability of Motorcycle Sport to have healthy close racing and competitiveness, and it should be the core value from which everything else springs, and upon which everything else depends.

Time to GET REAL, and away from 'Racing with the Kardashians' which is what its turning into i.e. CR@P!

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