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"MotoGP Class - Effective 2014: The engine claiming rule is cancelled completely."

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hoppy

July 04, 2013 11:30 AM

4 properly competitive bikes out of 18 or more is not a premier race series no matter which way you slice it.
Talentfan.

That just about puts the whole situation in a nutshell mate.

TedG,i understand what you say about the races within a race,but is that the way to run what is supposed to be the premier class in motorcycle racing?
All these guys on track are racers,and racers want to win not just provide entertainment.I cant imagine how frustrating it must be for a racer to line up on the grid knowing he has no chance of winning the race unless some catastrophe befalls the factory teams.

TalentFan

July 04, 2013 11:32 AM

@ RSMick

Ok, so you can be clever and flippant, but not ACTUALLY contribute anything except to have fun rubbishing anything else that's put forward?

The facts and way the series tech rules are make it easy to look at and demonstrate that there is bias to ensure advantage and control of the competition is with the Factory Teams (who already have significant advantage that isn't curbed). This by definition means that MotoGP isn't a real competition. It is not real.

You can dance and be clever around this issue and misdirect all you want - that does not change anything, and I've yet to see YOU contribute anything positive of your own. I'm not being rude - just factual.

RSMick

July 04, 2013 11:37 AM

So you really believe that Bridgepoint, just buy a business and take no interest in it so long as it makes money. So the days spent in meetings to put the right person in place to control, report and forecast are just a day out for the big wigs?
If Dorna have got it so wrong, why aren't FGS (IMS) now in charge of GP instead of the other way round. Why did CVC who now own the major shareholding in F1 reluctantly sell Dorna?
What do you think Dorna's role is and what do they specialize in?

TalentFan

July 04, 2013 11:43 AM

@ hoppy Precisely my point.

I was trying to put forward some constructive ideas rather than just whinge about it. However, while RSMick is clearly a smart guy, his agenda seems to be to poke holes in that, while not actually contributing anything positive.

Maybe RSMick is some part of the MotoGP establishment - I don't know. But I don't understand why pointing out MotoGP's issues and trying to suggest alogical reasons for that, and how to resolve them for the good of MotoGP as a whole is something he is determined to discredit.

Unless & until Dorna and the Factory's get enough feedback to realise that we have seen through the hype and that we are onto them, then there will be no pressure to do the right thing and return to the true values of a racing series IMO.

TalentFan

July 04, 2013 11:47 AM

@ RSMick. More misdirection or at least asking the wrong questions. It doesn't matter how Bridgepoint dis this or that, and Dorna blah, blah.

The FUNDAMENTAL FACTS are that MotoGP has ALL the competition and sponsor etc etc. issues we've run through. Core values and core issues - not some poxy meeting where they decided who did what.

The facts are that MotoGP's being mismanaged and its rules inhibit rather than foster competition. FACTS.

You keep skirting the issues like a politician. If you are so well-informed and clever... HOW IS MOTOGP FIXED???

hoppy

July 04, 2013 11:56 AM

Dont get me wrong here,if i had a magic wand i could wave,the grid would consist of nothing but factory prototypes as that is what i feel Motogp should be.
But we know that is not a financial possibilty.But here we are in a situation where 2 factory teams are going to totally dominate the class from now till the moon turns blue whilst everyone else on the track is just turning up to pick up the scraps.That cant be right can it?
I dont know what the solution is,but taking away the factory advantages is where the spotlight should be pointing.
Just my opinion you understand.The men in dark suits behind closed doors will no doubt see things differently!

RSMick

July 04, 2013 11:58 AM
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Because you are trying to live in ideal world and we don't, what you are basically describing is F1 (bikes) and look where that went. One huge problem is as I keep telling you its not just about the racing, if it was WSS a few years ago would be the richest racing series in the world. The solutions you offer are in the interest of Talentfan, not the entire public, unfortunately the vast majority of the public want to see the riders fall off not race.
The biggest thing talked about on Radio 1 and Radio 2 this week was exploding tyres in F1 and Lorenzo flying to get surgery then racing. The race got about 10 seconds of a Rossi interview.
I dont believe its totally broken from a business point of view, from a racing point of view it has to evolve, slowly move from one to another with the times. Not revolution.
That's what it is doing yet everybody moans stop changing the rules!

TalentFan

July 04, 2013 11:58 AM

The business model for MotoGP OVERALL should be aligned with whats best for the racing. Its USP is that it is the premier competition for motorcycle racing, where the best talent in the world races one another, and the best of the best win out.

The fact that it is not like this can IMO only prove one thing... that it is in the best interests of a few (who stand to make a lot of money) to compromise the best interests of MotoGP as a whole.

Its all about the money, and money corrupts. MotoGP needs direction and management where the money gets spread around for the benefit of all involved, and to the perpetuation of the Series long-term.

My guess? Like everywhere now - there is always some who will run something viable into the floor as long as they make a pile out of it and can go sit on a beach somewhere after its all in ashes.

TalentFan

July 04, 2013 12:06 PM

@ RSMick. Yes, we live in an age where the shallow and purile is lapped up by frankly disturbingly ignorant and unthinking herd.

Sensationalism sells and gets the herd to look up out of the trough for a few seconds and regsiters. I get that.

But just as things had changed and slid that way - then it must also be possible to swing them back the other way. Its only a matter of how the media and marketing are applied to change thinking (or lack of) - if nothing else the media and political spin-doctors have proved this conclusively.

I note however Mick that all you've done (again) is throw up another barrier. There's a distinct lack of solutions coming from your corner, just hurdles. Why is that?

RSMick

July 04, 2013 12:18 PM

Motogp is where the best riders are and they very rarely make a mistake, when they do they fall behind and its very hard to catch up, because the winner makes very few if any mistakes. The result spaced racing.
Motogp does distribute its wealth, you are looking at the wrong series for that. WSB does not, it takes series sponsors away from the bikes who have very little and even a tyre supplier who pay for it and guess what the teams have to pay for the tyres. There is a very good article in cycleworld. cyclenews.uberflip.com/t/24308/77.

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