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"MotoGP Class - Effective 2014: The engine claiming rule is cancelled completely."

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TalentFan

July 04, 2013 3:34 PM

I know it all needs money. Your insight into the 'guest situation & promotion is illuminating (not the fact that a lot of wealthy guests on a junket care little about what event they are at, just that they are at one).

TV is where the money is at though, right? And MotoGP already HAS the racing personalities and the Team infrastructure stuff to form a good platform.

If that platform had better racing (which means more money and more sponsors for teams funding, which needs better racing and a chance to compete for them to be interested, which means factory's have to have their wings clipped, to get better racing.... AAARGH!)

RSMick

July 04, 2013 3:48 PM
Last Edited 414 days ago

Single ECU Map for a race - fixed - no corner-by corner etc. It wouldn't work and likely to put guys in hospital

Limit mean piston speeds to limits where Pneumatics are irrelevant - almost there with the oversquare bore, Ban desmodronics as well?

Ban carbon discs. That'd be a good start - wouldn't save that much as far as I am aware carbon brakes last longer than steel with no fade. There is also the weight issue as well, moving mass and all that.

Motogp is about technology and that sells the series a lot, take that away what do you have SBK?
Cost cutting will not guarantee closer racing ARRRRGH, the only way your going to do that is handicap incredibly talented riders.

TalentFan

July 04, 2013 9:12 PM

Cost cutting is the only way to empower teams other Factory outfits from having embarrassingly large advantages in kit though?

You say it will handicap riders. Well it might actually empower riders to utilise their talents rather than have them controlled by the technology.

It isn't about absolute lap time. Moto2 is slower but more competitive and spectacular without the interference of too much electronics. So we see Pol & Scott backing it in, sliding it out and swapping paint. They call it Racing.

Why do so many hark back to the heydays of Lawson et al and 500,s? The tech was archaic but the Racing was fine and the characters as big or bigger. Tech that takes away or buries your heroes talents isn't a benefit IMO it's a crying shame.

TalentFan

July 04, 2013 9:29 PM

The biggest lunacy? If there is a race series then entering teams are supposed to follow the rules laid down by the organiser. They aren't supposed to be making the rules and bad ones at that

I'm sure when fans say stop changing the rules, maybe what they really mean is "stop changing the rules for the worse". Dorma don't exactly have a good record of late on this score due to their willingness to bend over backwards to accommodate Factory demands.

RSMick

July 04, 2013 10:25 PM
Last Edited 413 days ago

So what your saying is that Motogp riders are made to look better with all the technology, but Sykes has proved he is good good enough because the bike is inferior even though his bike uses GPS to track within 1000mm of where it is and the software controls his throttle accordingly? Go and watch a race and just stand and look how Lorenzo puts his front wheel in the same spot lap after lap after lap, computers do not control lean angle, braking and steering.
When was the racing fine when Lawson was around? you obviously listen to people and weren't watching, it was exactly the same. Either Lawson, Spener, Roberts or Mamola won, later Lawson or Gardner, Rainey or Swchwantz. There was only around 5 factory bikes then and being laped twice was not uncommon.
Dorna are making bad decisions in your opinion, your not David Emmet are you? Its become totally obssesive with you. Its simple you don't like don't watch then if enough of you do the same Dorna will disappear.

TalentFan

July 04, 2013 10:36 PM

Actually I'm saying there's too much electronics in both MotoGP and WSBK.

Nope not David Emmett. Just a concerned racing fan with no hidden agenda. I do note Mick that you've not revealed your own involvement and interest. From the way you post and the tone suggests that you are rather closer to Dorna. I don't want bike racing spoiled and made a shadow of what it was meant to be and once was a long time ago. Pity there aren't more people in places of influence with integrity and the same wish IMO

TalentFan

July 04, 2013 10:45 PM

As for the Lawson, Shwantz, Rainey etc era. Yes I know the racing wasn't super close then - I've been around long enough to see it

But at least the riders could be seen working to take the bikes and their input and skill was raw and evident and contributed wholly to how well they rode the bike. There was no doubt that what you were witnessjng was REAL!

Now when even someone like JL opens that throttle and takes a corner we don't know how much is skill and how much is electronics that keeps that bike in line and JL on the seat. That dilutes and devalues world class riders who deserve better IMO.

pcxmac

July 05, 2013 5:56 AM

CRT was about suckering people on to the grid, now that they have enough bikes they feel safe enough to let the mid pack teams spend inordinate amounts of money on engines that have to last multiple races with out a decent inspection or tune up.

MotoGP is not about saving money, it's about lying to people to get ratings. It's a circus, thats all it is.

TalentFan

July 05, 2013 7:36 AM
Last Edited 413 days ago

@ pcxmac

The word here I think is INTEGRITY. The way MotoGP has been mis-managed and the way the factories have been allowed to orchestrate the series has made MotoGP the circus and destroyed its credibility as a Series for true world level sport and competition.

RSMick seems to paper over that like its inconsequential. How MotoGP is perceived is surely vital to its credibility and attraction to teams and especially potential sponsors who won't want to be associated with a circus.

It might only take one 'leak' from within to destroy MotoGP & create an exodus as it clearly stinks from within & sponsors distance themselves. If if didn't we wouldn't have all the nonsense rules and control of the series by the Mfrs IMO.

RSMick

July 05, 2013 5:58 PM
Last Edited 413 days ago

Yes and Ezpeleta is really Kyrano and Nakamoto is the Hood with a statue of CE that when his eyes light up CE does as he is told.

FFS you two, Dorna are a promoter and TV/Marketing company, not a totalitarianism where espionage is round every corner.
The fall of Flamini from IMS was totally financial masking with conflicts of interest, not a plot by Dorna to rule te world, Bridgepoint interest was totally in Infront and if you knew who the CEO and their contracts are you would know why. I would imagine with WSB Bpoint just said whats this that is hemorrhaging your cash flow?

And PCX dreamer, I have seen it written this afternoon from someone in a factory team that the 6 engine rule has saved a small fortune on freight alone.

As for me do you really think I would be on here if I had anything to do with Dorna?

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