MotoGP » Dovizioso, Hayden try frame and engine developments


“It's a new part, so we have to understand whether or not we can have it in time for the Sachsenring” - Andrea Dovizioso.

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jambop

July 05, 2013 12:04 PM

What I cannot understand is why Ducati are try to sort this bike out by themselves when there are so many knowledgeable engineers available right here on crash.net! I mean really some people on here not only know the exact position of the engine in the frame and also the effective centre of gravity of the Ducati GP13, but they know where it has to be moved to, to sort the bike out. They could be saving themselves a fortune and not only that the time they have been wasting could have been out to better use!

V4Poweeeer

July 05, 2013 12:15 PM

Jambop couldn't say it any better myself hindsight is a beautiful thing just imagine the ultimate GP racer crash.net engineers could produce it would feature both the best characteristics of the m1 and the rcv but better overall.

DrWho

July 05, 2013 12:59 PM

@jambop I'm agreeing on you, but I have to say if Ducati know what they are doing why.

A: Aren't there any improvements

B: Did they kick out Preziosi

C: Did Ducati try to get Yamaha's Furazawa

They went from carbon to aluminium ( how long did it take )
I guess Dovi, Nicky and Vale + JB don't know what they talk about, they talked about the engine and the balance of it.
I guess those world championships Vale got plus the knowledge of Jeremy Burgess and the championships he won with Doohan ( 5 ) and Vale ( 7 times ) I presume JB must have the biggest brown eyes because he's so full of ****.
I really don't understand why people are flaming other people making them ridiculous whilst most of the articles about Ducati had explanations about the engine, maybe you should read some articles on other site's too. There are more site's on the web who cover articles about MotoGP, articles that can't be found here. How many people on here said Rossi was done would never won a race ever again? I

jambop

July 05, 2013 4:28 PM


28 championships, 20 years, 17 different riders. you should rethink your position.
To be fair most of those championships have been in SBK which was/is a handicap event. I mean to say look at the times where they were racing machines which were 900 cc or later against 750cc bikes which were up to 30kg heavier by the rules you can't possible say that was not a huge advantage. The trellis frame was not the genie it was the big engine and the low weight if you can't see that your head is up somewhere! Honda made a Vtwin and spanked them first time out you see when the field is level they are found wanting... as they are now in moto gp

shamarone

July 06, 2013 1:12 AM

re: "you can't possible say that was not a huge advantage"

sure I can. "its not a huge advantage". see, I just said it. why...? because there are numerous elements that everybody keeps citing as design flaws.

big engines make big numbers which translate into big forces (gp level forces). SSA's, long engines, trellises, and under tail pipes flout the conventional wisdom of "mass centralization". either these things are negatives...? or they aren't...? negatives invariably SUBTRACT from positives. not my rules, the Greek's rules.

now if you can't see THAT...? then you might try sticking your head up a MATH TEACHER.

shamarone

July 06, 2013 1:17 AM
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re: "Honda made a Vtwin and spanked them first time out"

tell it right. Honda made a Vtwin and spanked them ONLY after foggy took a career ending digger @ round 2 (ie. the haga ephedra-whatever season). bayliss/ducati won the next season 2001.

Edwards/Honda then came back in '02, but only after getting his tail up at laguna going into the summer break.

the 999 bowed in '03 (and won with hodgy) and all indicators were that even if honda stayed...? it would've simply gone back and forth "eye for eye" like this with nobody the clear victor.

word to the wise, s1's the wrong guy to try and walk down the memory lane of WSBK's with. best to not even try.

jambop

July 06, 2013 11:45 AM

word to the wise, s1's the wrong guy to try and walk down the memory lane of WSBK's with. best to not even try.
Mwahhaahaa what right hander!
Did Honda, win the WSBK championship the first year they entered a 998cc v twin... yes / no ? I am not concerned at to who or what took a digger at what. The truth is the ONE AND ONLY reason Honda raced that bike was to make a point that they too could race big engined machines against 750 fours and win! The fact that Ducati went on to win again in subsequent years is neither here nor there. When it comes to world championship motorcycle racing Ducati are totally insignificant would you not agree s1

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