MotoGP » Redding rides ex-Kevin Schwantz 500cc Suzuki!


“They should bring these back. It was absolutely mega to ride!" - Scott Redding

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Tom Buskey

July 08, 2013 6:10 AM

Re: ... the domestic MX series in Canada ... readmitted 250 2-strokes for 2013.

I remember watching James Stewart wringing everything out of a KX250 trying to keep up with Ricky Carmichael on a 450 (Honda?) and Chad Reed on a 450 Yamaha.

The 450s would jump the top as the 250 struggled. However, its cheaper to run a two stroke for a season of motocross and you see them at many local tracks. KTM still sells them in the US.

RSMick

July 08, 2013 8:43 AM
Last Edited 506 days ago

"Close racing" really can you tel me when that was, the last one I remember was 2000 Phillip Island until developement stopped, not many others.

If the 500's had of stayed, and the internet was, I wouldn't say full cause not everybody used it then, heavily populated with people who wanted to get rid of them, saying they had no relevance to anything you can buy. Be careful what you wish for.

I would imagine should they have stayed electronics would have played their part, the first fuel injected 2stroke 500 was also the first bike to hit 200mph at Hockenheim 1993 but was not manageable power, Honda was said to have vicious engine power with fuel injection sitting on the test bench.

TalentFan

July 08, 2013 9:57 AM

Never mind the details. Read what it is that posters are saying, and what it is they feel the racing should have.

Real Racing, with the riders in charge of their own destiny, NOT the software keeping the wheels in line and maximising drive, controlling wheelie etc. etc. etc.

Fans want to see that again - so the glory for a great ride is warranted, and the one who makes fewest mistakes and goes fastest wins.

We all know what electronics CAN and DOES do. Very clever. But they are now detracting from and spoiling the potential for the riders to excel as well as fail - an optimised perfect bike for every corner equals processional racing and WORSE - we cannot know if the guy taking the trophy really deserved it, or whether we should give the Laurels to his ECU!

Look at the Wimbledon Mens Final. Millions tuned in to see two guys with bats wallop a ball. Why? Because it was tremendous contest of visible individual skill and effort, with the best man winning. THAT is what fans tune

TalentFan

July 08, 2013 1:00 PM

"Yawn, then learn how to spot talent on a bike, go to the race."

Way to go Mick. Cheap shot and no substance. We all know the WC guys are all super-talented. The skills gap between the guy who can win and the guy in say 8th might be very, very small.

But how can you say for CERTAIN that Espagaro in 8th is not as good as Jorge? You CAN'T. Why? Cos Jorge rides a guided missile with terabytes of data and uber-geeks programming his motorcycle, thats why.

It is perfectly legitimate to wonder just what the finishing order would be if the bikes were more equal, and the way the bike went was determined LESS by the tech, and MORE by the pilot.

Electronics ARE clouding the issue about who is riding the best, and who is being kept on board over their limit by the electronic rider aids. THAT is indisputable and you have no answer for it - so you resort to a cheap shot to try and discredit what I'm saying.

TalentFan

July 08, 2013 1:14 PM

A case in point....

Jonny Hernandez apparently is reported as being uber-aggressive as a rider. He effectively gets to the apex and fearlessly whacks the throttle wide open out of every corner.

Brave? For sure? Most talented? Unlikely. He gets away with it cos the electronics intervene and prevent Jonny from being pinged to the moon every corner.

Jonny rides a CRT FFS! If he has this level of electronics, imagine what Dani, Mark, Valentino and Jorge have, and just what their systems can do!

If a World Championship racer does not need super-human throttle control (or indeed hardly ANY finesse) cos he can just whack it wide and let the tech sort out his ham-fistededness (& bravery) then how on earth can we tell who truly deserves to be Champion on even more closely controlled and optimised equipment like a Factory Yam or HRC? Answer - we can't.

RSMick

July 08, 2013 1:40 PM
Last Edited 506 days ago

Well YONNY is a very talented rider, again you can see from trackside how he managed to tame the Avinita. He has only been in roadracing 4 years and learnt in Supermoto thats where he learned his throttle control as the Avintia used Motec and just wasn't there, bit like BMW with Bosch.
What shows is his inability to set a bike up hence the reason for it lighting up all over but he controls it, when you heard the Avintia there was very little TC mid corner only on the exit.
As for the ART it has very very advanced electronics from the WSB bike, remember they were the first to use ride by wire and the RS3 cosworth was far more advanced than any in the early days, this is where the ART makes gains as the engine is poo, sapped of too muc BHP for reliability. Read up the reason Aprilia may return as MSMA because they are worried about using the Marelli software not their own.
A top class rider still rides beyond the limits of a bike what ever he has. Redding seemed to handle the untamable o

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