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“They should bring these back. It was absolutely mega to ride!" - Scott Redding

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TedG

July 08, 2013 9:26 PM

Of course the electronics filter down to the streetbikes, as well as almost every other technical aspect, from the forks to the asymmetrical compounds on the tires.
A modern sportbike is a technological marvel, capable of performance unheard of just several years ago. As well as sophistication that when added all together is mind boggling. TC, FI, Anti Wheelie, are all there on the modern bike, direct from MotoGP and other racing.

shamarone

July 09, 2013 4:02 AM

re: "Of course the electronics filter down to the streetbikes"

yeah I was gonna say, sounds like somebody hasn't walked into a dealer or read a magazine article in over a decade.

is that even possible in the 21st century...?

shamarone

July 09, 2013 4:46 AM
Last Edited 506 days ago

re: "I remember watching James Stewart wringing everything out of a KX250 trying to keep up with Ricky Carmichael on a 450 (Honda?) and Chad Reed on a 450 Yamaha."

as do I, but here's the twist. it's not the 250 vs 450 of old you're thinking of. it's 250 2T vs the modern 250 4T's.

same as grandprix, that pairing was just what was easy based on the retail market, and based on an ASSUMPTION of what capacities constituted parity. not saying they have 100% parity with this, but like the 990cc vs 500cc matchup, that capacity difference was just a first attempt... it doesn't mean they got it right.

in grandprix those first 4t's should've probably never been more than 800-900cc (assuming they ever intended to retain 2T, which they didn't).

it's not like 4-stroke tech (big bikes) was some undeveloped or unknown quantity in '01. the competition with WSB is what saw them overshoot. hell, iirc MotoGP was originally proposed as a full liter. this way back then.

shamarone

July 09, 2013 5:00 AM

re: "but there may be other benefits for real day-to-day riders?"

i'd like to think their are other benefits to the racers... like less highsides. well maybe not for Lorenzo...? but for everybody else there's less highsides. as far as j's concerned, the "5's" are alive and well.

pcxmac

July 09, 2013 7:25 AM

Traction Control allows the factories to have a greater determination about who wins on their bikes and who doesn't. Dorna are trying to take control of traction control so they have even more say, despite them having say over the Control tire.

Ban Traction Control, it adds nothing, and would force the pilots on the bikes to actually think about what they are doing rather than just pinning the throttle at preset stages so they can tell the computer what they would like and the computer sorts it out.

Here is the kicker, the Sponsors would have a cow if TC and the control tire got booted out of MotoGP because then the guys who have half a brain might actually be able to show their worth and the idol worship would be open for everyone to see. Rossi's trip on the Ducati was but a glimmer of what is really going on in GPs.

Scrap the control tire (more teams more options for setup more different kinds of bikes) and get rid of TC, pilot does make the difference, and MGP might have some

pcxmac

July 09, 2013 7:30 AM
Last Edited 506 days ago

btw, who the hell wants anti wheely on their street bike? really? seriously? and Traction control?

Do you know it can be harder to judge the behavior of a bike in tricky conditions if the computer is doing weird things to the rear wheel of your bike, also TC is not different 'mapping' presets.

Using a clutch is infinitely more useful than depending on traction control to get the job done for you on the street.

... fuel injection ? wow, I couldn't see that one coming after its been on cars for ages now.

... and no, most people dont need asymmetrical tires unless they are racing on a track, dual compount+ tires are nothing new and not asymmetric.

... And while Yonny might be a good pilot, hes not near as good as some of the better Moto2 pilots, although I would believe he could do what Marquez is doing on the factory Honda had he Repsol looking after him, the best bike by at least 1/2 a second, just not having to suffer a slower pilot who doesnt understand corner entry.

RSMick

July 09, 2013 7:53 AM
Last Edited 506 days ago

Did you know Ezpeleta has a white cat he sits and strokes as well?
If your theory is true then TC is controlling who wins WSB then PCXMAC. I take it you turn all your maps off then? so TC has nothing in the maps?

Where were dual compound developed?

People forget there were electronics in 2 stokes, what controls the power valves for a start and I remember the first race of 1992 at Suzuka, Mick Doohan was setting incredible times in the wet with his big bang engine and guess what? 3 different ignition maps available to him.

Anybody who thinks Marquez that Marquez does not have talent is obviously one of the people I said who need to go to a track and see it, he also has balls bigger than any racer in the last 30 years.

TalentFan

July 09, 2013 12:24 PM

@RSMick. Again you're trying to discredit a general overview and opinion that the tech is clouding the issue about who deserves to win and is the best pilot. It doesn't matter that Marquez is brave and talented, or any other individual racer. The main point is still totally valid.

Once ANY technology gets so good that it is well beyond what is needed then it becomes superfluous - just like a BMW HP4 is fantastic but way beyond anyone's capacity to fully exploit on the street. Well, electronics and tech on MotoGP have gone well beyond the capabilities of even the very best world class racers - they aren't always exploiting the tech, but instead the tech is taking over from them. Whichever way you slice it (like PCXMAC suggests) this means that the very best of the very best can have their ar$e handed to them by a talented quick bloke with big balls and better tech.

Which you can be sure happens. Which HAS to mean that Racing needs the tech curbed.

TalentFan

July 09, 2013 12:31 PM

@ RSMick You seem adamant and determined to defend electronics and the advantages that Full factory teams have over the field - even though there's a raft of strong material that suggests it is contra to to the overall competitiveness of the sport and skews it so that the factory teams have an iron-clad advantage ring-fenced by the technical rules.

All this logically points to curbing the tech to close the performance gap and limit the ability of a fat wallet to clear off into the distance every Sunday.

The Q is WHY are you so determined? Ok, so you have no Dorna affiliation. But there's an awful lot of folk who have a vested interest through supply or direct involvement in the sport and the tech?

How about it Mick - what's your motivation to be SO against moves to cut costs and introduce more parity in the bikes?

RSMick

July 09, 2013 1:43 PM
Last Edited 505 days ago

Your getting as bad as Shamorone, not thinking before you type although hes on something, Calm down and read what I have said, I cannot see anything wrong with the way its going apart from ditching the start/travel fund for below 22nd finish.

So if they ditch electronics then what happens? very little aids in BSB yet same people up there all the time.
To get the best equipment you have to prove you are the best, what do you want last finisher to get the best?

They would just do as they have throughout history and as currently happens in Moto3, dish out better engines to who they want. Remember why Honda splashed Repsol on the belly pan of Rossi's Nastro Azzuro Honda, its all about contracts.

You have no problem with software assisting you to be more capable in life than without, but not in Motogp.

There are other people here disagreeing as well you know!

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