MotoGP » Hayden hoping for home cheer


"I wish we were headed there with more speed and confidence, but the reality is this" - Nicky Hayden.

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shamarone

July 17, 2013 10:46 PM

re: "MotoGP and Dorna would be a fool not to have a top and likeable American in the series."

they don't care.

re: "Plenty of American fans would not turn out and Dorna would lose money in the US."

and then promptly gain it all back when those same Americans shifted over to WSBK. camelo's dug in like an Alabama tick. (jesse ventura voice)

TalentFan

July 18, 2013 10:03 AM

It all comes around to the same thing....

MotoGP has plenty of rider talent, but a structure that ensures (in fact GUARANTEES) that only a select few (currently 4, and unlikely to be more) can ever have a bike under them that gives them ANY real opportunity to compete.

So - the structure of MotoGP ensures that many damn good racers that have earnt and deserve a chance to stand or fall on their ability in a fair fight only get the option to FAIL - the only choice is by how much.

THIS is why I am so bugged by Dorna's mis-management of MotoGP. ANYONE not on a factory HRC or Yam is doomed to mediocrity - and it is Dorna's failure. WHY would any top racer take a seat on most of the bikes in MotoGP the way it is run?

TalentFan

July 18, 2013 12:13 PM

Hey Nicky! Try to get yourself Jonathan Rea's Honda ride in WSBK. Yes I KNOW it looks like a duff gig NOW, but just wait...

Dorna will sort that for you. The limited engine rule and other 'measures' will be implemented to cut back the Aprilias, BMW's and Kawasaki's, while the 'Blade gets the HRC Electronics fine-tuned in the meantime.

Hey Presto! A Fireblade becomes THE best package in WSBK in no time at all! If Nicky wants a WSBK WC, better get yerself on a Honda mate!

Am I a just a cynic? Or could I have a valid point?

ducati1098

July 18, 2013 1:56 PM

@Bungi

That's absolutely true but he will play 2nd fiddle again to Rossi. Anyone will play 2nd fiddle to Rossi.

I say let him go to WSBK and race for Kawasaki, BMW or even Aprilia. Aprilia is indirectly playing a big role in MotoGP and it'll only be a matter of time when their engine with a supposedly integrated pneumatic valve will run with the big boys. Kawasaki and BMW I'm sure will start placing massive resources to MotoGP. Hayden should take a job in WSBK and try to win a championship before heading back to MotoGP in a year's time.

El Bigonio

July 18, 2013 3:07 PM

MotoGP is stagnating and Dorna have sat on there ass for far too long cracking their knuckles and watching the checks come in. Rather than promoting the sport, they concentrate on making sure that they get paid, that there digital rights are uncompromised and that the rule book is in an ever changing state so that no manufacturer would want to join the party. A stable rules package and a few lessons from NASCAR about promoting the sport would surely help. BMW, Aprilia, Kawasaki, KTM etc are avoiding MotoGP like the plague right now because it is not a viable marketing tool for their brands. With Nicky being shown the door, Colin likely nearing the end of his career and Ben Spies a question mark they could be marching forward with no Americans at all for the first time in decades. With 3 races now in the US that seems rather tenuous to me.

ducati1098

July 18, 2013 3:45 PM

@El Bigonio

I cannot agree more with your statement. I'm sure that there are plenty of manufacturers out there who would love to join MotoGP but with the constant changing of rules it places financial stress on the manufacturers to innovate. Not that there's anything wrong with innovation but to stay toe-to-toe with Honda and Yamaha they would need to allocate tremendous amount of resources to stay afloat. After all, which manufacturer would want to place last? The point of any race is to win and not place 2nd or below. Racing is always about winning and Dorna's strategy to constantly evolve rules and strategies are making it difficult for these manufacturers to justify returning to the pinnacle of motorcycle racing. Hence why they'd rather allocate and focus in WSBK since the rules are more stable. But **** might hit the fan since Dorna is now the head honcho. Imagine how MotoGP would be if the other manufacturers are somehow directly involve in that series. That a spectacle that wou

TalentFan

July 18, 2013 5:03 PM

@ El Bigonio & ducati1098

I'm agreeing with you. However, please note that the 'rule changes' at the factory end are more like a slight tightening of already tight engineering constraints - and rules that are are ludicrous (like unlimited revs but limited fuel and engines).

Honda (esp. Honda) and Yam already HAVE solutions and acres of data to set-up their machines within the rule structure. So ONLY those like new Mfr's or Ducati currently WITHOUT solutions would have to 'innovate' (read as spend a fortune while getting publicly spanked by HRC & Yam). What CEO would sign their company up for THAT - its suicide.

THIS is why BMW etc. shun MotoGP. They KNOW its a closed shop and Dorna is happy to take the money and let it stay that way - with MotoGP ring-fenced as a party where only HRC and Yamaha get to keep the ball and set the rules.

TalentFan

July 18, 2013 5:08 PM
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However.... now that Dorna has WSBK and is already lining up the same madness (that has made MotoGP into a pre-determined, fractured and unfair series) onto WSBK.

Already there is talk of 'CRT' type 2-tier, limiting engines etc.

WSBK will no longer be a potential haven for the MotoGP or top racer who cannot get one of 4 MotoGP bikes that the rules favour and can win. Nope - I can see Dorna corrupting WSBK so it is in the same mess as MotoGP.

It stinks!

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