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“At the moment I have no contract for next year” - Stefan Bradl.

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V4Poweeeer

July 25, 2013 6:52 AM
Last Edited 487 days ago

cont.
reduced, and that way stellite and private teams dont have to cart a bus load of technicians around the world.
The spec ECU should be enforced because at the end of the day there are only a couple of differences in the eletronics sensors, hardware and processing speeds and then the amount of technical staff required to set it up to give the rider the feeling they want.

Also the Ducati still has a power advantage today and look where that gotten them its the whole package not just one particular element.

TalentFan

July 25, 2013 12:39 PM

@ V4. I don't think that can work to level the playing field, even if it does cut costs.

Honda already have SO much data on every measurable aspect of machine limits and tolerances, and set-up parameters for every possible scenario. So all the restriction would do is reinforce and protect their advantage even more!

They need to change the game, and TAKE AWAY the ability to USE all that data IMO. A rev limit to calm down the uber-tech, spec ECU but with greatly reduced set-up parameters, and a single map (i.e. they cannot programme different solutions for different corners or parts of the race - one map only). THEN ease up on the fuel and limited engines (the sensible rpm limit would reduce stress and fuel cons anyway).

Then it gives every team a fair shot at a competitive motor and fair ground on set-up, and puts the control back to the rider - which should mean that there is more genuine and competitive, more attractive to sponsor, affordable proper RACING.

V4Poweeeer

July 25, 2013 1:57 PM

The engine limit would reduce fuel usage and engine stress but it would disadvantage certain engine configurations. The torque monster that is the 90 degree V4/L4 engine would trounce all due to the characteristics of this engine layout and how power is delivered. The crossplane crank of the Yam would suffer even worse down the straights due to the crossplane lack of top end, and what I assume will be a big-bang firing order on the Suzuki will also be at a disadvantage. Either way a rev limit will favour one engine over another.

However I think a power limit could work better say at 220-240hp that way all the bikes can make that limit without being at a disadvantage due to their engine configuration and the need for pneumatic valves are still nullified.

TalentFan

July 25, 2013 3:44 PM

@ V4.

I'm not talking about a drastic reduction in rpms (anyway there is the scope to set different limits for different configs if necessary - they have had different weight limits, cc and air restrictors so why not revs?).

A reduction in mean piston speed to a limit where you have no need for pneumatics and uber-exotic con rods etc. can equal much lower materials costs and reasonable engine durability. Even then we are still talking about serious engine speeds that won't disadvantage any engine layout very much I'd have thought - though it might then focus development onto making best use of the available revs and power curves?

TalentFan

July 25, 2013 3:51 PM

@ V4

'Fans' seem to forget that even a road sports bike is MORE than enough for some serious high-speed, makes power that GP stars like Rossi would have been impressed with at the beginning of their careers.

So why do we need them to have 240BHP? Reductions in the rider aids like BSB have done compensates for the software handling to power the rider can't, so reduce the tech and the power and the rider still has to be very damned special to control 200BHP.

Once fans realise that it is the ability of the BEST RIDER'S that they really want to see, with close racing and genuine competition (like the karting or Moto2 examples I gave), then as long as the bikes are fast enough to be exciting, and require uber-talent to win on - the actual numbers don't matter IMO.

TalentFan

July 25, 2013 3:59 PM

Anyway... with safety etc. the bikes getting faster and faster has done what to many circuits?

Often meant massive spending on bigger run-off and the fans being moved miles away from the action. Or, the circuits can no longer be used as the bikes are too fast for them.

I tend to think that levelling the field by reducing the tech and slowing the bikes down, while still making them challenging for the very best to ride quick enough to win on against their peers in a fair contest would make for a much better racing series (what wouldn't frankly).

V4Poweeeer

July 26, 2013 12:45 AM

Maybe Honda should just buy the rights to Dorna and hold the inaugural rcv championship with spec rcv's that way we'd still have 1000cc monsters and all of the same spec.
I do agree that the an rpm limit will decrease the need for exotic material as the engine tolerances are alot lower but the first step should be increasing the engine limit as I feel that is the number one cause for stronger exotic materials that last longer. However I still hold my reservation about the rev limit as you would need a set of evo rules to make it work effectively and that ain't gonna happen in GP anytime soon.

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