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"Each Manufacturer, (including motorcycle manufacturers and chassis manufacturers), can choose to enter up to 4 riders for the season who will participate with “Factory” status"

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RSMick

July 30, 2013 7:36 AM

Some of you are missing the point.
Run a full bore factory engine with the spec ECU software you get 12 engines, more important there is no freeze on engine developement and can have as many riders as you can build engines for. Therefore you can use a private team to do engine developement, give them financial support to do so.
Secondly if a factory want to field an extra rider, put a full blown engine in say an FTR and give that team factory status, again private team gets assistance. Or just simply carry on and build your own engine without the worry of it being bought.
I am sure that some will say factories running GP, but that is what it is for developement.

TalentFan

July 30, 2013 10:52 AM

I disagree completely (no surprise there) with RSMick.

MotoGP or any bike racing is NOT there primarily for development. It is there for the COMPETITION and the RACING first, foremost and ALWAYS. If it is not, then it is NOT Racing. Simple as that.

Go back far enough and what started racing? The Mfrs and Factory's? No. It was owners and enthusiasts who wanted to pit their skills against one another in competition. The factories only started joining in when it dawned on them that it was a way to promote (and yes) develop their products.

Factory's corrupted the true purpose of racing when they got involved, so don't try and sell it that they are the be all and and end all of Racing and 'development' is why racing exists. That is NOT the case.

TalentFan

July 30, 2013 10:58 AM

@ Paddles "I absolutely agree Talentfan, but DORNA can only go two ways to level the playing field, one is to have homologated engines at a nominal price available for everybody or the other is to "dumb down" the technology to restrict performance to what is attainable by heavily modifying a production engine.

I'm all for the 'dumbing-down' route. its the only way to balance the field that can work. Reduce the rider aids as well as the super-expense created by the current lunacy, and a Production engine topping 200BHP is more than enough of a handful for even a MotoGP God.

Its putting the death knell on it calling it dumbing-down though, as all the numpties will screech about how MotoGP is supposed to be the pinnacle of racing. Well - it isn't now, its just hidden from most that its a mess.

However, having JL, DP, VR, MM and all the rest on bikes that require far more of their finesse, skill and input to maximise, with rules that mean they have to beat everyone fair & square, bu

RSMick

July 30, 2013 11:03 AM

Racing or GP racing?

Like it or not without a factory there is no form of racing, you need the bikes so choose your words more careful.

GP racing is for developement, thats not selling it, its the way it is, its also a way to showcase technology.

As I have said again and again and again, if you don't like GP which is sorting itself out, dont watch or even think about it. You are in a minority.

TalentFan

July 30, 2013 11:04 AM

By the way... all the kiddies who cry foul and slate CRT's for being 'just' production engine based and not worthy as they aren't the 'pinnacle' of development.......

Why aren't all of these nuggets shouting and stamping their feet cos Honda are going to bring in a customer bike without seamless shift gearboxes and without pneumatic valves?

All these new rules will do is make the privateer bikes a bit faster than CRT's, while hiding from the masses the fact that the privateer bikes still won't be able to genuinely compete against the factories who CONTROL the ability of the privateer bikes!

So... the field is rigged (but a bit faster). 'Balance, 'dacron' etc..... that DOES NOT MEAN MORE COMPETITIVE! Quite the opposite.

TalentFan

July 30, 2013 11:14 AM

@ RSMick.

Racing is Racing. it either IS or it ISN'T. There can be no middle ground nor degrees. it is either true competition, or it is not. MotoGP is not, and these rule changes ensure it will stay a 'not racing really' race series.

GP racing is for 'development' ONLY because that's what the factories want it for, and they hold the true power and Dorna either aren't strong enough or don't want to change that. It is purely a strong marketing message and political spin that you are serving up and swallowing when you say GP racing is Development and Factory Involvement is essential in GP racing.

You must either have a vested interest, or be one of the sheeple Mick. Which is it?

TalentFan

July 30, 2013 11:19 AM

@ RSMick. As for me being in the minority... well you may be right. If you are it is simply because the majority of GP racing fans simply don't see and understand what is being done to the sport they love.

Me? I shan't be watching MotoGP soon anyway, as I shan't be subscribing to BT Sport when they take over.

But then, chances are it won't be worth watching anyway as a real racing fan (I don't like reality tv shows, and I don't like the fact that those that produce such dirge feel that we are stupid enough to be conned into watching fiction served up as fact).

Enjoy watching your soap-opera on 2-wheels Mick, while it lasts. You cannot sustain a con forever, sooner or later it will implode (maybe when the factories have screwed it into the ground and no longer have a use for it).

TalentFan

July 31, 2013 12:19 PM

@ RSMick.

No, but I do realise that I'm flogging a dead horse. What you are saying about factories and so on is a huge case of 'being uneconomical with the truth' but it seems that most simply don't really care whether what they sit in front of vacantly is genuine or not.

As for the 'drama' - no its not all in my head. Better if it was, but what drama there is is increasingly being generated on demand for the fans through PR and manipulation to occupy the fans and stop them from focussing on the fact that there isn't any real competition and racing.

A 'WWF' inspired MotoGP is not for me. It clearly suits you Mick (I note you didn't clarify whether you were profiting from the situation somehow or one of the sheeple btw) - but not me. I want to see real racing, which MotoGP was once, but is not now.

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