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“I think Moto2 is a good school for MotoGP” - Stefan Bradl.

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pcxmac

July 31, 2013 7:29 PM

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Casey was honest, he didnt keep his mouth shut and he was probably the best on 2 wheels while he was in MotoGP, and he was hated for it. Is that the kind of world you want to live in?

Speak up.

TalentFan

August 01, 2013 12:07 AM

@ pcxmac

Yes it insulting to those with more than half a brain. Trouble is they HAVE managed to build a fanbase for MotoGP with all this BS and manipulation.

That can only tell us that we DO live in a world where most CAN be fooled or simply don't care if their heroes are in a real race or a fake. Also that these 'fans' will hate a rival to their chosen hero.

I don't want to be associated with MotoGP nor with his sort of fan. I no longer consider myself a supporter of MotoGP due to the corruption of the sport and the vaccuous baying football-fan hordes it now has.

TedG

August 01, 2013 12:24 AM
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I hate to tell you guys this but all that MotoGP and all of racing is for that matter, is entertainment. NOTHING more. It is not about government corruption using your taxes to force bad stuff on you. It is nothing more than the business of entertainment, no better or worse than a movie you watch. They are in business, not politics. They can do what they choose, they aren't elected officials. The best advice is if one doesn't care for the internal politics of this particular form of entertainment ..... change the channel. They are trying to make the most money possible, and the people who watch are not purists, they want to be entertained by battles and close finishes, personalities, and (dare I say it?) drama. The rules will change to accommodate the making of the most money. Which by the way is close racing, battles, personalities, and drama....Period.

TalentFan

August 01, 2013 9:47 AM

@ TedG. I know all this.

But.... if it is fiction, or drama or whatever, then fine if that is how it is presented. What I resent deeply and could actually be seen as illegal is if it is Misrepresented. MotoGP is presented and sold to the public as a Competition. So, if the results or competitiveness of the entrants can be manipulated to suit the 'drama' requirement or whatever, then it is NOT true competition.

Which means fans are being lied to. Under civil and contract law, Misrepresentation is a breach of implied rules of contract (e.g. in the UK by The Sale of Goods Act).

So, if MotoGP is fictional racing (like a film about racing) then Dorna has a duty to sell it as such.

TalentFan

August 01, 2013 9:53 AM

Actually.... wouldn't it be wonderful if just for once the litigious age we live in resulted in a victory for the man on the street for once?

How fantastic would it be for all the non-competition 'competitions' like X-Factor as well as Dorna in MotoGP being sued for misrepresentation and false statements relating to their 'entertainment' shows being marketed and sold as genuine competition?

Fantastic. Then motorcycle racing would either have to be a clean, genuine competitive RACE series, or it'd have to own up to being just another soap-opera fiction.

Be REAL, or be GONE. After all - who wants FAKE racing?

TedG

August 01, 2013 4:12 PM

@TalentFan,
The results aren't rigged, as in the winner was picked before hand. The race is manipulated in the manner of trying to slow down the the team with the deepest pockets so not to produce run aways.
So I guess my question to you is, what is misrepresented? Where do they say things are one way, when they are actually another?

TalentFan

August 01, 2013 6:03 PM

Ted ... By misrepresented I mean that racing is supposed to be a competition, where there is a fair and equal playing field created by the rules to try (as far as is possible) and provide parity.

Then, those competing (teams and riders) who win are those who do the best job, in a fair contest aginst their peers.

If the competitiveness of a team or rider can be unfairly influenced, manipulated or dictated to by another team or party, then what we have got is NOT genuine racing.

No-one would allow one of a premier football teams players referee a match where his team was playing against another one and consider it fair, would they?

So what is real competition got to do with MotoGP, when the bulk of the field are under the control of 2 Mfr's who also compete with their own teams? See? MISREPRESENTATION. MotoGP is NOT what it sells itself as, which is a racing competition.

TalentFan

August 01, 2013 6:10 PM

On top of the factory issue, you have the interference in the affairs of independent teams and general meddling by Dorna.

Like the organiser dictating who gets given a ride with a team(ask Paul Bird about Hernandez and whether he really had a choice or not, and quite probably even Yamaha were coerced into Rossi's return by CE too).

Or Honda forcing riders onto satellite teams, and also making them run as a test mule for their future bikes (see Gresini / Bautista). There are LOTS of examples and us outsiders can't even begin to scratch the surface.

Where is the freedom for racers to RACE and be in with a fair shout without interference or influence, so the resulting winner is worthy and earned it against all-comers (i.e. RACING)?

TalentFan

August 01, 2013 6:18 PM

The winner cannot be ASSURED and GUARANTEED - not without the willing participation of all the riders. So it cannot be rigged to the nth degree, no.

But... in generality even a lay-person on the outside can predict with reasonable accuracy the final order (barring an incident or situation that disrupts the norm), and the general finishing structure varies but little.

In an event where hundredth's of a second can affect your ability to be somwhere or nowhere, it doesn't take much to manipulate and control a rider and slow him down just enough if a factory wished to. All it takes is a couple of keystrokes and hit ENTER.

It should not be POSSIBLE for one team to be able to do this to another. But HRC and Yamaha CAN do this to any team running one of their bikes or engines - as their factory technicians control the motors and the software, right?

How much more do you need!

TedG

August 01, 2013 11:44 PM

@TalentFan,
But isn't most racing that use machines from different MFGs that way? Isn't the idea to produce the best machine and win the most races? So the deepest pockets usually comes out on top. Of course the MFGs are going to try to create hurtles that the others have difficulty with. Actually that is part of the fun. Is it unfair? Absolutely! But is it cheating? Absolutely not! Working within the rules and pushing the limits is and always will be the challenge to racing.
What is a shame is it is ruining racing for you, I prefer to be an optimist and root for a rider and enjoy a good race, without looking at all the negatives. Life is too short......

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