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Marc Marquez fastest during Free Practice 1 for the British MotoGP at Silverstone.

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TalentFan

August 30, 2013 2:45 PM

@ Joeski
When I said balance of power, I wasn't referring to results on the track, but to influence upon technical rules, which is now showing through to results on track.

I think (as I expect) HRC dominate the rest of the season due to their ability to run a higher pace with 5 motors and their greater R&D and data solutions, we will see the evidence of HRC's political and resource might reflected in the final standings.

As for 'who else might be as good' as MM? Well, JL for a start. There could easily be others as well, but as there are so many levels of support through MotoGP, you cannot really compare many riders fairly with others.

If MotoGP really WAS a fair and level field, then we COULD have a good idea of who really IS the best. With the mess it is now, really we can only guess.

TalentFan

August 30, 2013 2:56 PM

Actually Joeski, I think Yamaha have been punching above their weight for years by managing to take on Honda in MotoGP. They certainly don't have HRC's resources.

Which suggests that Yamaha have been doing a better job than HRC, as they have been able to fight with HRc and do it with less money.

However, HRC have been grinding away relentlessly, and I think now they have finally managed to get everything in place to crack Yamaha's challenge - but they've had to spend a mint in order to do it.

To add to that - I think part of the reason that Yamaha have been able to challenge HRC against the odds is one Jorge Lorenzo.

BillAce

August 30, 2013 3:19 PM

Fuel limits are making a huge difference. I can tell you that Honda has more engine efficiency data than the rest of the MotoGP grid combined. They have been squeezing out fractions of a percent of gains for a decade and are doing an insane amount of analysis to meet fuel efficiency regulations that stretch to 2040 that are not even possible today.

The Honda production racer won't have the software to have this advantage and will need to carry the extra fuel as a result, I'm curious to see how that plays out.

In the Yamaha camp Jorge blazes off the line and then is going into conservation mode by the end of the race and the Hondas just wait and then power by. This also shows by the fact that Vale starts at a slower pace and has the power to run faster at the end and match Jorge's pace as it drops.

This is compounded by their engine situation, hey can't risk being too aggressive on their motors. Honda has an edge in reliability that helps them further.

Honda has a huge edge

Joeski

August 30, 2013 3:44 PM

Talentfan,
I agree with you but to credit Lorenzo with the challenge to Honda is true for the past 2.5 years. Prior to that Rossi was the pioneer in that category and Lorenzo was #2. We can all speculate now but 2010 in my mind is still a question mark as to whether JL would have won against a fit Rossi. ANyway all credit to JL..the dude is very very good and I respect his ability.
In 2013, Rossi is nowhere in the fight so it is all on JL's shoulders for Yamaha.

Also with the restriction in MotoGP today, it seems Honda is doing a better job... How is it that in the unrestricted environments of 2004 - 2009 (give or take) where more money is the advantage, Yamaha can dominate but with restricted spending/testing Yamaha struggles?
The difference, in my mind at least, is the development path that seemed better in the Rossi/ Furasawa years....

I know I will get flack for that...lol

TalentFan

August 30, 2013 3:50 PM

@ BillAce. Good posts and support the point I've been trying to make.

The fuel thing is another reason why the much-feted Suzuki return could well stall out as well. Their bike may have lapped pretty quick in tests, but they have admitted they can't get the economy at that pace.

Maybe Audi have the bucks and research to aid Ducati in the fuel miser stakes? If not -we have another potential 'factory' casualty there waiting to happen - not to mention Yamaha themselves.

As I believe I've said - Honda are the only ones to have the resources to BUY this WC. Time to change the game, or watch MotoGP wither in time IMO.

TalentFan

August 30, 2013 3:57 PM

@ Joeski

As you can see from the thread here - I think that the current situation is because Honda have managed to influence MotoGP into a direction which plays to their particular strengths and sheer might of money and resources in R&D - money already spent in millions and not just on the team. Resources no-one else can get near.

5 motors and 20L of fuel combined with virtually limitless data and electronics and no rev-limit presents a VERY tight and specific challenge - one that actually has no practical application. But it plays straight to all the strengths and advantages of Honda.

Once you accept this, it's a damn miracle anyone ever beats them (at their own game - they proposed the rules after all).

BillAce

August 30, 2013 4:57 PM

Talent Fan,
Don't forget that Honda's magic transmission is a product that was introduced to them as the spec engine supplier for Indy Car that they then borrowed for MotoGP. You can bet thy locked up the best technology partners through their automotive business ensuring that the other manufacturers will have inferior solutions. Even when they don't develop the technology they still win.

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