MotoGP » Lorenzo: Braking key in fight with Hondas


“We hope to improve the braking and it will be much easier for me to be a real fighter like before” - Jorge Lorenzo.

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one

September 06, 2013 1:44 AM
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3. Dorna is a Spanish company. Repsol is a Spanish company. Motorcycle racing is nationally huge in Spain. Honda's #1 sponsor has been Repsol at least since the 500's. The 800cc rules came to be as a shake-up of sorts, as a way to help Honda, sponsored by a Spanish conglomerate in a Spanish owned motorsports organization, do well. This is because the riding style of 800's is much more similar to 250's, which was being dominated by a number of up-and-coming Spanish riders.

one

September 06, 2013 1:56 AM

4. Yes, Stoner benefited from Bridgestones finally coming up to par in '07. As well as the fact that the Bridgestones were designed with the Ducati's in mind, and vice versa. What the haters will always fail to remember is: where were all the other Ducati's in '07? Casey won the championship in '07 and '11 because he's a great rider. Deal with it.

5. Rossi joined Ducati under the agreement that he would help them make the bike "easier to ride," not adapt his riding style to it. Yet Ducati repeatedly failed to fix the problems he and Burgess pointed out. Rossi walked and key management at Ducati were removed.

Codger

September 06, 2013 8:02 AM

@ one
6 Ducati bigwigs did all they could to entice Rossi & his team to stay. This would show that they were doing OK.
They made promises of upgrades.....Nicky and Dovi are still waiting, where would that leave R&JB if they had stayed?

Codger

September 06, 2013 8:08 AM

Lorenzo thread, all about Rossi & Stoner.
Stoner thread, all about Rossi & Stoner.
Rossi thread, all about Rossi & Stoner.
Ducati thread, all about Rossi & Stoner.
Honda thread.....etc.
Yamaha thread...etc.
Bacon sandwich thread...etc.

Am I the only one that can see a pattern here?
Stoner fans, any chance you could give it a rest?
Rossi fans, Casey has gone don't keep talking about him.

herewego

September 06, 2013 8:29 AM

So now Valentino only won titles because the competition wasn't up to it!!! What a load of tosh!
It isn't that the riders are all that much better now, it is that the bikes are!! Look at all the electronic aides, the design, the development, in fact, everything about a bike is so much better the riders are bound to be faster! Do you think Valentino can help when he was born!!!!!!!

SkyWilk

September 06, 2013 10:18 AM

You know, the fact that you have to keep telling the same old theories again again to justify Rossi's godlike status that you created for him, just shows how weak that status really is.

Rossi made the same "history" that Lawson did earlier. The motorcycle racing history is full of guys that did things a lot more amazing than beating some guys almost 10 years old than you, while having michelin overnight specials. Just get over it.

DrWho

September 06, 2013 1:18 PM

@SkyWilk

"Godlike status"

You are saying you don't have a copy of Mr Martin Raines with all the statistics? Are you telling us that Valentino is a part of a conspiracy theory that let us believe Rossi won 9 world titles because he was lucky?
I've read more replies from you and I must say your believe in the existence of terrestrial life must be bigger than your believe of Rossi's achievements. maybe you'll wake up one day realizing Rossi was as good the statistics showed.

TrueFan

September 06, 2013 4:37 PM

@Codger, I laughed at that, but you tarnished it with your Rossi fan advice. From what I've seen, Rossi was finished before Stoner, but he made a "comeback" this year. Sad really.
Once upon a time, Agostini fans pointed to his great record to quash the claims of Hailwood fans. In an interview from a year or so back, Agostini directly correlates Stoner's ability and performance to Hailwood, and Rossi's to his own. There can be no doubt that Ago held MtB in the highest possible esteem. Revisiting the first part of your comment, still LMAO.

R6Ryder

September 06, 2013 4:53 PM

First of all.... It DOES NOT MATTER what u tell the engineers is wrong with the bike if they don't agree. At ducati they never made the exact changes the rider and crew chief were asking for. In fact they never said that an alum chassis was gonna fix it. Everyone thinks Ducati did so much. Not really. They never listened and that was/is the problem. Another interesting thing I couldn't help but notice. Jorge's M1 could keep a decent gap on the RCv's in accel but Rossi's M1 couldn't even stay with Bradl and Bautista on accel. I know Jorge carries a tad bit more corner speed but not enough to accommodate what I saw from watching the race onboard. It was unreal the way the Honda pulled away from VR but not JL. And rossi had his M1 dialed in as he ran dry on the cool off lap.(out of gas) I never believed JL was on a different engine until now. The difference in accel was clear to me. From onboard. Maybe with Jorge's engine and Rossi's forks they might have a decent package! Lol

R6Ryder

September 06, 2013 5:05 PM

I'm not the least bit surprised by Jorge complaining about the braking. The fact is that Jorge doesn't brake as hard and late but he makes it up in releasing the brakes early and carrying higher corner speed. This works when your alone, just not so well when ur in a battle. Even Ben spies said last year that Jorge isn't really a hard , late braker. Spies brakes later and harder but the evolution of the M1 is now more of a soft on the brakes (relative) high cs style. Did u guys see Spies crash in motegi last year? The hardest circuit on brakes? He over cooked the carbon brakes (high mass) discs and pads . I'm positive Spies was better suited to the 2010 bike. Notice his results got wrose and worse the more the engineers developed the bike for Jorge? Of course he was 1 rider so that's what they do. I think its funny how now Jorge wants to revert back to a stiffer front end, better on the brakes design. .

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