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No decision on Marquez-Pedrosa Aragon incident until the Malaysian MotoGP

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michael wall

September 30, 2013 7:06 PM

Boy, It's clear success breeds hatred. This kid grew up watching Rossi and even JL, he's coppied their exact same moves, the aggresive riding. So now he should be penalized for being aggressive? or for what he might do? This is an aggressive sport, every rider knows what could happen to them. He has done nothing to be penalized for, and nothing every rider on the grid has not also done. grow up. Having an investigation is bad enough, letting it drag on is reprehensible.


September 30, 2013 7:08 PM

@Talent, I agree some of his moves have been suspect but you can't retrospectively go back and punish him for them. Again, his yellow flag demeanour at Silverstone has already been dealt with. There was more contact in each of the races yesterday, some involved massive accidents but no penalties were given. Unfortunately the cable was cut on Dani's bike and the consequences far outweighed the actual crime.


September 30, 2013 7:26 PM

@ Gilles.

Agree with your last post, have said myself that this incident had an unexpected outcome out of all proportion to the actual contact, which would not have brought DP off otherwise.

We cannot also revisit earlier misdemeanour's and punish for them either as you say.

But... you can bet that (like me) Race Direction WILL look at MM's 'previous' and look for a pattern of behaviour that might suggest there is a ticking bomb.

MM sure wouldn't get a glowing testimonial from Wilairot or Simone Corsi, nor quite a few others I think.

FWIW I can't see anything except a few lines in MCN coming out of this - there surely can't be enough here to penalise MM. They MIGHT though decide to quietly warn him that he is under close scrutiny and being involved in any more incidents WILL incur sanctions.


September 30, 2013 7:45 PM
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Race direction will need to look at every incident from now on in order to maintain any credibility.

It's certainly an unusual situation in that slight contact resulted in a crash, through damage to one machine, rather than by the forces of the collision.

Another point though is google the rear end of a RC213V and have a look at where Marcs elbow slider had to be to hook onto that wire. Rubbing the back tyre isn't going to get you there, you have to be rubbing the rear brake disk and swingarm bolt on the way through. It certainly isn't swinging out in free air just waiting to be hooked.

Marc certainly doesn't look under complete control folowing sombody else, maybe he still has a depth perception problem but I'd hate to see MM become a target for "brake checking" by JL and DP.

Maybe Dorna is learning from other sporting codes like our football in Australia, play the games on the weekend, issue infringements to players, then keep the game in the news during the week by having play


September 30, 2013 8:06 PM

Ducati's traction control, like everybody else's, also uses rear wheel speed compared to front wheel speed as a key parameter in their algorithm. One visible difference is that Ducati has two rear wheel speed sensors, one on each side, so, should one of them fail, for whatever reason, it would make no difference whatsoever. That also means a $30.00 extra expense and some 50g more weight, but I think Honda could absorb that.


September 30, 2013 8:13 PM

Out of curiosity,i just looked at a close up photo of the rear end of the RC213V.
You are right.When the engineers placed the sensor they obviously hadnt considered the possibility of it being dislodged in such a manner.Which makes this incident all the more of a freak.
In a previous comment i said the engineers were at fault for making a fragile sensor,but having looked at the picture of its location i am not so sure.
How the hell Marc got his elbow in there is quite amazing!
I wouldnt mind betting that the sensor is repositioned by the next race!


September 30, 2013 8:30 PM

Was the sensor damaged when Dani crashed?

I looked at the incident from the 2 angles available,from the outside of the corner and the onboard footage from Lorenzo,I don't think MM got close enough to the back wheel and from Lorenzo's footage Danis bike didn't move. Maybe they should release the onboard footage from the Marquez camera.

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