MotoGP » Marquez, Pedrosa agreement 'almost impossible'


'What needs to be understood is whether this could have been avoided – both the incident between the two riders and the accident itself – because those are the two important aspects' - Javier Alonso

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TalentFan

October 02, 2013 7:12 PM

I really don't think that Race Direction have enough to justify a penalty and so nothing will happen. So Marc can race on with impunity.

I also don't think a penalty would make a blind bit of difference. MM hasn't changed his attitude one iota after ANY of his incidences or penalties, nor (to my knowledge shown ANY genuine remorse when his actions have endangered or even injured anyone).

The concern is that he won't learn and the predicted 'Big One' will come. If that crash harms someone else the MM of old will continue unfazed.

The further worry is even a big crash harming himself (Wilairot?) might not even faze the lad, unless it was career or life ending.

All racers risk their lives & accept it. Its true though that some present a greater risk & higher incident probability than others.

Rockstar84

October 02, 2013 7:16 PM

Whatever the outcome of this, Marquez is certainly not going to be popular with his fellow riders, if he continues with his riding style. For sure, yes, he is quick, but just too aggressive. I know races should be made exciting with riders lapping each other, but not to the extent of trying to take out each other, that would be bad..!

Conrice

October 02, 2013 7:19 PM
Last Edited 450 days ago

You guys are over-reacting. I have no idea why. But I can think of so many more riders that have done riskier moves.

Is Rossi unpopular?


Calm down. Who has MM hurt? Who has he almost killed? It's like you guys haven't ever watched any Motogp before this, or any other forms of 2 wheeled racing.

TalentFan

October 02, 2013 7:19 PM

I have speculated that MM is pushing things to a place where sooner or later there has to be a backlash and a clash, maybe even a bad accident due to MM's way of doing things.

Racing at 200mph is no place for dodgy manoeuvres or for settling scores. MM respects no-one and his history suggests he isn't too worried about a move that has a high probability of sending someone off-track. He's not been in a crowd much in MotoGP, so no-one has really 'pushed back' at him, or resisted strongly, but it could happen.

I think maybe that's why Race Direction are making a meal of this (even though I'm sure they won't actually issue any penalty). I think they want to try and diffuse the situation BEFORE there's a regrettable incident, rather than when its too late?

Realist

October 02, 2013 7:21 PM
Last Edited 450 days ago

@ Conrice

I agree 100%. They are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

@ TalentFan

Shown remorse? How exactly should he be illustrating his remorse? By being passive on the track....traipsing along lap after lap and not pushing the other riders? Riders are butthurt because he is doing the business as if they are/were all standing still.

@ Rockstar

If he's not popular, it's because he's beating them candidly and seemingly without a lot of effort. Dani is probably the most butthurt because he can't even call himself a WC yet, and MM is making a mockery of him as Stoner did. Sucks, but that's the breaks!

Conrice

October 02, 2013 7:22 PM
Last Edited 450 days ago

But you can't do that TalentFan, because you can't predict the events. The only way that you can be sure that there will not be any danger - is not to race.

Super-sic's accident (may he RIP) happened because he's a tall rider and got stuck underneath the bike. Tomizawa's accident happened because he got a little off line. I mean, it was Tomizawa - he was not at all an aggressive racer like you're comparing MM to.

You can't predict the accidents that really really get people hurt. You can't. So you shouldn't try to penalize MM

CRobert54

October 02, 2013 7:24 PM
Last Edited 450 days ago

Looks like the old guys only having crying left. Pedrosa should understand because he did the same thing to Hayden and Jlo did the same thing to Rossi. Only difference is that both were more out of control and the contact was heavier. Give both of them a nookie. Actually if you look hard enough MM takes out some scissors and cuts Pedbot's cable.

TalentFan

October 02, 2013 7:30 PM

@ Conrice

The key word is 'popular'. There's no doubt that the successful are popular (fans love to be associated with a winner - fickle and shallow maybe, but true nonetheless).

It is also true that the 'popular' get defended & protected more, and certainly get away with more than other riders.

There was huge media and fans shouting to string AB up for the clash with VR at Assen (which was a racing incident IMO) while hardly ANY huge media articles and shouty fans when MM ignored waved yellows and threw his bike full tilt at CC & Marshals - in Warm Up - not even a race!

Why the disparity? Simple. Marquez is more popular than Bautista. If the 2nd incident had been AB then the penalty meted out would have been much more severe for sure. Its just how it is.

TalentFan

October 02, 2013 7:40 PM

@ Conrice.
I agree he cant and wont be penalised. RD are clearly concerned about his riding or this weird circus would not be happening. But I cannot see they have sufficient justification to act for the very reasons you used.

@ Realist
By shown remorse I mean any kind of statement or act of contrition when he has done something crazy & put a fellow racer in Hospital. Anyone can make a mistake, but when they do they are usually sorry for it if that error harmed someone else.

Young Marc gives the impression of being a bit of an egomaniac and able to rationalise such incidents as not his fault & of no concern. Which has to mean 'loose cannon' to anyone having to race next to him at 200mph. Racers have to trust one another to be elbow-to-elbow at 200mph. How many do you think trust MM?

TalentFan

October 02, 2013 7:57 PM

On the tech side of this & DP's highside...

I read in (one of) bike press recently an article about road bike Fuel injection, & how the biggest issue with getting fuel economy is retaining driveability (preventing surging and very snatchy on/off throttle response).

Take that to the extremes of massive power and v limited fuel (MotoGP), and logically this suggests that without TC and mass electronic interference these things would have horrible power delivery & be totally unrideable?

Might just explain the lightswitch power delivery that launched DP when the TC failed?

Still doesn't explain why HRC didnt have a safe mode when the ECU lost sensor data though!

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