MotoGP » Casey Stoner rides Honda MotoGP Production Racer


"We also tried the production bike which was more impressive than I predicted" - Casey Stoner.

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shpongled

October 03, 2013 2:40 PM

Seamless shift boxes have no place on the road, and allowing them in GP just hands an advantage to the works teams. IMO, seamless vs non-seamless is 2-tiers as per Proto vs CRT. Ban seamless. Ban TC. Limit revs. Less fuel for all. GP allegedly exists to discover & develop new tech for the road, so let's get bikes with useable power in more sensible rev ranges, gearboxes that work even when not on the limit, chassis & power deliveries that don't need TC, and make pneumatic valves compulsory. Then we'll have a more level playing field, better racing, and better road bikes. Giving non-works teams more fuel (and more aggressive gearboxes) is pointless when the tyres don't last as it is!

totty

October 03, 2013 3:20 PM

Seamless is cheap and easy with dual clutches and it has it's place on the road (Honda DCT). Banning dual clutches is what increases the costs and hands the advantage to the works teams.
Pneumatic valves as far as I'm aware have no place on the road due to requiring frequent refills and yielding most of their advantages at high RPM. I have no problem with them in GP but to going along with the road development argument.
Baning TC to develope useable egines and also test rider skill I agree with.

What I really don't like is allowing the works teams to handicap their competitors. Selling a lower spec bike like this but also allowing teams to upgrade it with their own technology would be a step in the right direction.

mrfill

October 03, 2013 3:25 PM
Last Edited 199 days ago

Why ban TC - it was developed on the race track and is now used on road bikes - s1000rr, zx10r, rsv4 and even the zx6r now.
Why ban seamless shift - the vfr1200 is available with a 'seamless' box developed from racing.
Pneumatic valves are the next thing. Way too expensive at present but in 5 years time?
All these have improved road bikes so banning them from their development arena will prevent future development.
To get a level playing field and better racing just create a 'big boys' version of moto2. Standard engines, no gizmos, frame up to you.
So long as you have prototypes, you will not get close racing (certainly not as close as m2/m3). Well, unless Marquez is around...

edit... having said that, they should bin TC

shpongled

October 03, 2013 3:42 PM

True - pneumatic valves only yield benefits at high revs yes, but if smaller teams don't have them then it's unfair IMO so make them compulsory. R & D is were the cost is - making the engines is relatively cheap. Kawa & Aprilia are using Pneumatics, so why can't a 1000000 Euro Honda have them?!
I'm of the opinion that if you need TC on the road, then you are not skilled enough to handle such a machine at such speeds on the road. The main reason for TC on 1000cc production bikes is because a lot of 1000cc owners have more money/balls than skill and end up getting hurt. 600cc doesn't need TC - it's just a marketing tool. Full throttle at max lean at max revs on my R6 no problem - it get's loose yes, but there's not enough power to cause a 'real' issue! Look at BSB - they have over 200bhp with no TC and you don't see any more people high-siding than you did 3/5 years ago.
Why do road bikes need seamless boxes when 99.9% of road bikes don't even have quickshifters?! And most quickshifted r

krispradez

October 03, 2013 3:55 PM

dont forget that Ducati has no spring/pnematic valves, and that the only reason penumatic was invented for Motogp by Suzuki is to compete with the Ducs. Without pneumatic valves, current Ducati will instantly jump 4positions forward.

shpongled

October 03, 2013 3:55 PM

(cont) road bikes have the tech not because the owner wants to get to work 3 seconds quicker, but because they're of an age when they can afford to 'keep up with the Jones's'! Put the skilled 10% of road riders on an early VFR 750 and they'll be quicker & safer than the other 90% on a brand new VFR. Road riding is dangerous by default, so a bit of TC won't make much difference - most people crash because they run out of skill on the bends / brakes anyway! And bikes only have gadgets because their competitors do - I worked at the head office of a major manufacturer and benchmarking was the most important aspect of new model introduction.
Ban TC.
Make seamless compulsory or ban it.
Make pneu valves compulsory or ban them.

I just want a level playing field, and honest bikes for honest riders. Unfortunately what bike you ride has more to do with $ than skill which negates my argument somewhat. But I guess that's the materialistic, coveting world we have to live in :-(

DB8

October 03, 2013 4:23 PM

What is it with feckin Moto GP Tests and poor weather!! Can someone add up the amount of tests affected by poor weather for everyone in the past few years!

Total shame.

Would still love to see the video though!

shuggiemac

October 03, 2013 4:29 PM

@shpongled - what a lot of patronising nonsense about if you need traction control on the road then you are not skilled enough. It can be a valuable safety feature when hitting unforeseen gravel, diesel, cobble stones etc. That can and does happen to absolutely everyone and only the delusional would say otherwise. Another point "GP allegedly exists to discover & develop new tech for the road," this has never been the reason for its existence. A lot of technology has filtered down but that is not the reason why it is developed, nor why the manufacturers race, or the competitors.

Conrice

October 03, 2013 4:47 PM
Last Edited 199 days ago

Well if it's bad weather tests - the differences between the full factory prototype bike and the customer bike won't be as apparent as they would be in great weather conditions.

I'd like to see some time comparisons though instead of just hearing "Hey, it's actually not that bad." from Casey Stoner.

As far as the springs vs pneumatic valves - remember that the V5 had steel springs, and it made tons of power. They should really drop the 4 cylinder limit rule.

shpongled

October 03, 2013 5:03 PM
Last Edited 199 days ago


@ Shuggiemac. I've been riding since I was 6, I've ridden on public roads every day for 13 years, through the depths of winter on 30 miles of ice, through 2 foot deep floods, through Alp roads covered in potholes & gravel, all on sports bikes. Yes the rear goes, but that's when you close the throttle / move body weight. Yes I've come off occasionally, but at no point would TC have stopped me from binning it - I always blamed myself, not the fact I don't have the best tech. If TC makes a difference to your safety on a thou then you're driving too fast for the conditions. Like I said, $ dictates what bike you can buy, not skill. If you could only be allowed bikes to suit your skill level, most people wouldn't make it over 500cc!!!
TC will not help with gravel, cobbles or Diesel - that's when the front goes, not the rear. Ad ifthe rear goes it's because of too much side load, not too much power!
What you're saying is TC helps when you haven't read the road conditions properly / left en

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