MotoGP » Casey Stoner rides Honda MotoGP Production Racer


"We also tried the production bike which was more impressive than I predicted" - Casey Stoner.

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samas

October 04, 2013 4:52 AM

@voiceofreason
Go back to single cylinders, I think not it was FIM who went down that path back in 68 when they desided to drop the number of cylinders in the 125s and 250s which led to Honda and Yamaha dropping out of racing.
Was the 6 cylinder Honda and V4 Yamaha luddite machines compared to todays 250 bikes???????
Well perhaps I am a luddite.

shakennstirred

October 04, 2013 6:33 AM

Honda have decided to cap the fuel tank to 23l and not the full 24l there aloud too.
seems a strange thing to do, wonder if there trying to restrict it so it doesn't put the factory bike to shame at some races

TalentFan

October 04, 2013 8:48 AM
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All series are regulated. They should be and have to be as the whole point is for it to be Sport. So by definition it cannot be Sport if there are unsporting advantages which render it an unfair contest.

You don't see them allowing Rafael Nadal to use a tennis raquet and restrict Andy Murray to a table tennis bat do you? Nope cos no one would watch such one-sided nonsense.

Yet Dorna (who's job is to administrate and regulate MotoGP as a SPORTING event Series) actually regulate the rules so it is the motorcycle equivalent of my silly tennis analogy above.

Which is why Mfrs can have a full-fat bike for themselves and a diluted customer bike for competitor teams. (AGAIN) Wake Up race fans and get this into your heads - MOTOGP IS NOT SPORT, IT IS RIGGED! And it is Dorna's fault for allowing this situation to exist.

herewego

October 04, 2013 8:48 AM

Riding a bike on the road can not be compared whatsoever to racing on a track! What suits a road bike and vice versa are like comparing chalk with cheese!
It just goes to show how much riders, and bikes rely on electronics and aids when Danny Pedrosa suffered from that break with his traction control sensor!! It's ridiculous really, so I agree that it is getting out of hand and needs to be looked at as it is all just ruining racing.

shuggiemac

October 04, 2013 8:50 AM

@shpongled - I just knew we were going to get your riding CV and how wonderful it would be. There is nothing you claim to have done that many others have not. Yet again more patronising nonsense. The value of the technology is not defined just if it stops you crashing, if it makes the experience safer then it is valid. We have all ridden without traction control, ABS, modern lights and electrics, fuel injection etc etc. We could all still ride without them but they enhance and improve the activity.

TalentFan

October 04, 2013 9:00 AM

@ shuggiemac

All the tech may improve the activity of riding for YOU on the road. But the real question has to be if it improves the quality of Racing.

It clearly does not in my and many others opinion. Which (see Dovi recent Q&A) includes the MotoGP RACERS.

Why? Cos it detracts from them racing one another using their riding skills. Also they want to be able to COMPETE FAIR N SQUARE so the best man wins.

Again. SPORT should be about BEING the best, not about HAVING the best. Why is this SO hard for people to get?

Motojunky

October 04, 2013 9:02 AM

@ shuggiemac.

" We could all still ride without them but they enhance and improve the activity".

Sorry I dissagree with your statement except for fuel injection.
Traction control and ABS is not what bike riding is about IMHO.

TalentFan

October 04, 2013 9:08 AM

Look. Bikes and tech are now WAY better than is actually needed for even the best talents in the world to find a challenge. The proof is IN the fact that they NEED all the electronics and rider aids to stay on the damned things.

Which is why the concept that motorcycle racing still needs to be technology driven is no longer true. We passed the point where it got as good as it needed to be a long time ago.

The true concept is CONTEST & SPORT using machines as tools at THE RIGHT LEVEL for RIDER SKILL to deliver great RACING.

Even tennis has realised that unrestricted development of racquets eventually ruins the game (Serve, Ace, Win). There's no point in a win, without it being a CONTEST first. Get it?

TalentFan

October 04, 2013 9:18 AM

To continue with my tennis example (cos it's a low-tech sport and so illustrates perfectly what I mean).

Tennis restricted the size of racquet head I believe years ago. As players are getting bigger and stronger so it is likely that Tennis will have to consider reducing the racquet head size and/or the string max tension, or the frame material. Why? To maintain a good sporting contest between players of course.

If a low-tech sport like tennis recognises the need to careful regulation to preserve the contest integrity - surely you can see and accept why Motorcycle Racing HAS to do likewise. Failure to do so is to sacrifice any sporting pretensions ( as is the case).

SmokinHaddock

October 04, 2013 1:55 PM

Elsie, give it up. Please try to contribute to the debate. We all know what you think of Stoner.

I think the rider 'aids' do matter on the road because they contribute to safety, and that really does matter. Perfectly acceptable choice for those who don't want then to not buy such a bike, or turn them to minmum settings. I peersonally don't like them on race bikes, becasue I like to use my ability, and to see the amazing ability of those who really are good at it.

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