MotoGP » Casey Stoner rides Honda MotoGP Production Racer


"We also tried the production bike which was more impressive than I predicted" - Casey Stoner.

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phil1234

October 04, 2013 2:27 PM

Currently you have to be on a factory Honda or Yamaha to win a race, so it's a four bike World championship!!

Maybe the fuel limits will make a difference. Although I suspect that if Honda thought this a problem they would have protested a lot more strongly. Maybe they should give CRT bikes KERS.

GPer

October 04, 2013 2:30 PM
Last Edited 348 days ago

Um no ... you need to be Lorenzo or Marquez or Pedro to win a race, if it was not for Lorenzo, it would be like the 500's was where Honda (Doohan and Criville) were almost lapping all other riders.

Lorenzo is doing an awesome job on the Yamaha, obviously built around him the last 2 years.

All can be overcome by a different riding style, if Lorenzo can be fast, why not Rossi also ... but changing style is almost impossible I would say.

hoppy

October 04, 2013 5:06 PM

as for those saying casey takes bikes backwards! take a look at this years rcv , i bet the same people have said this years honda is the far superior bike on the grid this year . ....think about that for a moment.
Dacron.

Exactly mate.But i bet they didnt have the intelligence to think of that!

TalentFan

October 04, 2013 5:23 PM

Yep, go back to petty bickering about individual racers blah, blah, blah.

And continue to miss completely the point (which I believe schpongled raised here first) as to WHY the riders have such uneven equipment and so much electronic rider intervention that it is impossible now to know how much is rider, and how much is equipment. Also how it is allowed for there to be such a wide variation between bikes MANUFACTURED IN from the outset in what is claimed to be a WORLD CLASS SPORTING COMPETITION!

Get a grip fellas FFS and get over the petty mudslinging. If Dorna actually organised a decent set of tech rules that gave pretty even bikes without massive tech influence on performance.... THEN YOU'D REALLY BE ABLE TO KNOW WHO WAS BEST, COS IT'S BE THE GUY WITH THE WC TROPHY!

Until the machines are evened up then the genuinely most talented rider MIGHT be way down the field on a hopelessly uncompetitive package.

Its amazing just how dense people can be.

TalentFan

October 04, 2013 5:48 PM

Tell you what.... Me & other Crash posters decide to have a race.

I get a full factory bike and can spend as much money on it as I like. I also get access to exclusive R&D and data no-one else has to set my bike up, with an army of THE best technicians & geeks there are. No-one else is allowed NEAR my bike except MY excellent people.

YOU get a restricted budget & a bike & engine not quite as good as mine. The engine & electronics you get - well you & your team aren't allowed to TOUCH that. Instead - you have to let ME send MY technicians to YOUR pit garages to work on YOUR bikes' engine & the electronics set-up.

You think that is fair?

Mfrs & Dorna think it is, cos factory's DO THIS, while Dorna ALLOWS & SANCTIONS THIS.

Time to wake up folks. Is it REALLY that hard to see you're being HAD?

TalentFan

October 04, 2013 6:10 PM

What has someone posted - that HRC's customer bike can only hold 23 of an allowed 24 Litres of fuel? So.. HRC have taken the unilateral decision to impose a greater restriction on their 'Customers' than the regulations allow.

What else. Yamaha's 'customer' package for Forward Racing only provides 3 engines plus (I think) 2 'refreshes' of those engines - when the regulations permit 12 engines. So that's actually less than their own full factory bikes engine allocation then.

But hey - this is all FINE and perfectly ok in an International World Championship - the 'pinnacle' of Motorcycle racing in the World. Right?

The 'Sport' I have followed for so long so I can watch the very best riders in the world RACE - has come to this?

It really saddens me that motorcycle race fans seem happy to sit back and accept this abomination without complaint.

TalentFan

October 04, 2013 8:53 PM

@ benignlyindifferent

Except your overlooking 2 very important facts.

1. Stoner certainly didn't say 'just as good as', just that they were better than he expected. That does NOT by any means guarantee they are competitive.

2. HONDA will still maintain control the engines who will be 'maintained' by their staff - it'll still be a case of "Don't Touch" for the teams paying for those bikes. So HONDA ultimately can control just how competitive that 'customer' bike can be against their own factory team effort.

If you & I had a race, but I was allowed to decide beforehand just how competitive your bike would be allowed to be - would you consider that alright? No.

If it wasn't actually happening & it was suggested to me that this could be within the rules for a Race Series - I'd have thought whoever proposed it was a total idiot.

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