MotoGP » Casey Stoner rides Honda MotoGP Production Racer


"We also tried the production bike which was more impressive than I predicted" - Casey Stoner.

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BillAce

October 04, 2013 8:53 PM

Talent Fan,

The production racer will have 23L of fuel because it only needs 23L. Its close enough to the RC213V to not need the additional fuel allocation. Why carry the weight and further decentralize the mass when you don't have to. It is not a detriment, its an advantage.

TalentFan

October 04, 2013 9:02 PM

@ hoppy

"You know i agree with you,but is there anything we can do about it?"

Sadly, no I don't think there is. Not in any kind of positive way anyway. I believe it'll take a massive event or implosion, or somebody VERY high profile & respected to pick this up and run with it, to garner enough media coverage, scandal and support before anything could happen.

I think my only action is likely to be to abandon MotoGP - which won't be noticed. BT Sport won't be getting my money - I'm not going to PAY them for the privilege of watching MotoGP when it is not what it claims to be, and treats Racing Fans like some easy-to-fool simpleton.

TalentFan

October 04, 2013 9:12 PM

@ Billace

"The production racer will have 23L of fuel because it only needs 23L. Its close enough to the RC213V to not need the additional fuel allocation"

I'm quite sure the statement you made will be the company line.

Thing is (& please think carefully before you answer)... do you KNOW the above statement is 100% true and a FACT?

What about the fact that Honda will still be in control of the key elements of the machine IN AN OPPONENTS GARAGE & TEAM then? Do you have a satisfactory answer as to why this ENSURES fair competition and that the customer bike really will ALWAYS be the best and most competitive thing it can be?

TalentFan

October 04, 2013 9:24 PM

@ Billace

If (say) Redding foung the 23L &12 engines could be utilised well enough to be able to BEAT a Repsol - do you REALLY think he'd be allowed to keep doing so by Honda?
If you do, then I'd like to take this opportunity to sell you some Magic Beans.

In reality, that customer bike will be optimised and datalogged so well that it'll be BUILT to be 2nd string -REGARDLESS of what it COULD be capable of (within the Production Rules).

Honda can afford to spend a fortune in track time and development optimising their bike with the new ECU, and also can afford a 2x WC to test it and provide race pace feedback. They will know EXACTLY what this thing can do, and what level to set it at LONG before Redding gets to ride one.

I doubt anyone with an IQ into 3 figures would believe differently.

Giveway

October 05, 2013 12:22 AM

What if you had a rider, lets say Casey Stoner, on that cust-bike TalentFan? I know one thing, he would still beat a few certain Proto riders. As you surmised about honda "performance blocking" the custbikes, he (CS) wouldn't be stopped, as a honda going fast, is good for the bottom line TalentFan, regardless of Proto, or customer bike status. Perhaps you forget the ethos involved with Honda? I'm just adding a bubble to the equation that has yet to be added.

BJR

October 05, 2013 2:44 AM

Since when has any customer bike 125, 250 or 500cc been the same as a Factory machine???

At least when you could buy the bike, you had the opportunity to "develop" it the way you wanted to, buy kit parts etc and recoup a few $ at the end of the season handing it down to (in the case of the 125's and 250's at least) a National series team.

Aprillia controlled the 250's for the last few years, deciding who got what and who could win.

BurroMiapanino

October 05, 2013 5:10 AM

The customer bike derived from the '11/12 RCV Stoner developed into a bike anyone could win on, even a rookie (something Rossi was meant to do with the Ducati, remember?) is clearly too good!
So good they have limited the fuel capacity to 23l (when they are allowed 24l under the regs) to limit the max power available over race distance.
The ONLY reasonable explanation are the times Stoner wrung out of the bike could embarrass their factory efforts.
Is it any wonder Honda hold Stoner in such high regard!

herewego

October 05, 2013 7:43 AM

Let's face it, MotoGP is verging on being "fixed"!! It is becoming a waste of time watching. I'm not sure what I'm going to do next year as I would also have to pay extra for the BT channel. If I decide to go ahead, it will mostly be because I want to see how Scott Redding does, and I also like to watch Moto2 and 3. We could all probably put a bet on now as to who will win the title next year - it's that controlled!

BJR

October 05, 2013 11:45 AM

I have no doubt the manufacturers in the past tried their hardest to "fix" the races, by contolling who got what equipment and by back room deals with third party equipment providers. All in the effort to win races and be most sucessful on the track.

Now Dorna's the one trying to pull the strings to create a better "show" to generate more revenue, with the teams and riders being the mere performers.

TalentFan

October 05, 2013 1:00 PM

I don't understand why Forward or say Gresini are so keen to put their own hard-earned to get a bike from Yam or HRC.

At least if they got a bike from (say) Aprilia, the bike may not be as good as they'd like, but at least they'd KNOW that their supplier was doing their damndest to supply the very best bike they can.

Get a production Honda, and you KNOW they ain't gonna engineer and allow data for that thing to be the best it can be - it'll be engineered (one way or another) to be limited in its ultimate potential.

UNLESS.. the wind of change & the rules suddenly make the Proddie THE bike to have. Cue Repsol sponsorship and it suddenly being a winner.

Mfrs will pull any stunt they can. Dorna are the culprits though as they sit back & let this happen to Grand Prix.

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