MotoGP » Ducati: 'No further plans' for Open MotoGP class


"Currently there are no further plans regarding the 'Open' option" - Ducati.

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Flymo46

January 10, 2014 10:00 AM

I suppose though that Ducati need to decide who they want to appear to be competing against. If they switch and say "hey, we beat the rest of the class" everyone will simply put that down to Yamaha and Honda factory bikes not joining them. A hollow victory at best, that is if they manage to win in the open class, a feat that may be more difficult than first appears given the machinery coming through.

They need to be seen to be successful against some meaningful competition and for now that means lining up against Honda, Yamaha and in 2015 Suzuki.

I wonder when/if Kawasaki will rejoin the party.

LLarry

January 10, 2014 10:50 AM

I'm with Gigi Dall'Igna on this one.
Unfortunately the factory Ducati is not competitive with the factory Honda's or Yamaha's at present so I can't see any downside in going open class.
The advantage is that Ducati would get a head start in adapting their bikes to the standard software which could work in their favour when this becomes obligatory in a couple of years plus get extra fuel and motors.
The latest works 2014 Yamaha is reported to be a pig to ride due to the very lean running mixture.
Opportunity missed by Ducati I think.

Rayzerp2

January 10, 2014 11:50 AM

herewego: I don't think Ducati know if they are coming or going !!!!


Couldnt agree more. Am a Rossi fan but looking from outside in they really seem to have lost their way in those years bringing on frame after frame carbon/alloy carbon/alloy desperately trying to find something that worked with no success....they need to go back to engineering and testing basics, obviously the bike cannot be fixed overnight but it is still only a bike and can be made to work. Their current situation is embarrassing battling with crt and being beaten in tests by a quickly cobbled together crt bike with yam engine and customer hondas not to mention suzuki!!

LLarry

January 10, 2014 12:52 PM

I think people tend to forget that Ducati is actually a very small factory. They only sell around 40,000 bikes per year, Honda sell more than that in one month.
The level of resources Ducati can devote to racing is much smaller than either Honda or Yamaha so under the circumstances they have actually punched well above their weight since they entered into MotoGP.
Let's not forget they won a significant number of races in the 990 era and were 2007 champion as well as having the most number of wins during the 800 era (accepting a certain Mr Stoner was on board). How does that compare with Suzuki and Kawasaki which are both much bigger enterprises?
Ducati's problems really started with the move to the control tyre. The wheelbase of the Ducati has always been long (due to the L-motor) but that was not a issue when Bridgestone made specific tyres for them that counteracted the inevitable understeer that the design could generate.
But with the control tyre introduction which suited the inl

LLarry

January 10, 2014 12:53 PM

CONT - inline four design of Yamaha much better than anyone else, the Ducati has suffered from chronic understeer ever since. Their efforts have focused on trying to re-engineer the bike to counteract this but it may just not be possible. It is far easier to make tyres to suit a particular bike than to modify a bike to suit the tyres.
Overall I doubt Ducati will find a solution unless they go with an inline four or shorter V-angle engine, something they would be loath to do from a marketing angle.
Perhaps the best thing to do is the Kawasaki approach - abandon MotoGP and focus once again on their Superbike effort (which has anyway been sadly neglected over the past few years as resources have been sucked into the MotoGP effort.)
It is better to be good at one thing than mediocre at two.

nealio

January 10, 2014 2:19 PM

LLarry hit the nail right on the head, small manufacturer, small budget. In an environment where the larger manufacturers have devised ever more narrow tech rules there isn't any way Ducati can compete with them. Now that Dorna is using it's muscle to take control of the technical regulations it would be smart financially and politically for Ducati to embrace the open class and take advantage of the opportunity to develop their machine. They could become the leader among the manufacturers and I feel it would be likely that Suzuki and Aprilia would follow them into open class competition. I also think that Yamaha, if the other manufacturers I mentioned go open class, would follow and isolate Honda. Remember as well that Honda is entering the most costly series in the motorsports, Formula One, next season and will be reviewing budgets very closely.
Ducati can steal a march on the bigger guys by going open class now.

Vilas46

January 10, 2014 4:15 PM

nealio

Become the leader of Open class?? kkkk I bet with you that the Ducati factory in 2014 will lose to the production machines of Japonese manufacters, and we are talcking about private Teams that will not have the Seamels Transmition or the pneumatic valves... They go lose to the cheapt bikes but it could be worst..lolol Just imagine if one brand like Hyosung or kymco enter in Motogp and start to kick Ducati ass..lolol wow that would embarressing..kkkk

TalentFan

January 10, 2014 4:16 PM

What nealio (& LLarry) said. Spot on.

Honda have thrown their weight about to ensure they could use their vast resources to make MotoGP near-impossible for rivals to compete with them in.

'Open' class is a way for teams to play by different rules - rules where they have more opportunity to be competitive.

I see it that Honda's drive to push MotoGP to ever-tighter & more ridiculous tech rules-sets so that they hold all the cards is forcing the issue. HRC don't want to race fair. So develop Open class and they can join in or not IMO. They cannot have it all their own way - that's not Sport & its not Racing.

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