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15 agree. 13 disagree.

The Alice team is a satellite team - like every other manufacturer, the kit and support is never up to the same level as the factory team.
Why do certain people seem to delight at having a pop at Ducati? At least the Alice team started the season with 2008 bikes identical to the works team. Why didn't Elias win then? Honda has been supplying their satellite teams with the 2007 machine.
Ducati is a small operation without the resources of the Japanese factories and as such has done extremely well. Next season, there will be 5 Ducati's on the grid. From Suzuki and Kawasaki, only 2 each. Nuff said.
Elias has never been that hot on anything & it's a case of a poor workman blaming his tools :rol

Posted by Otto - Unregistered (368 days ago)

Toni Elias reveals lack of technical support from Ducati during 2008 MotoGP season - will have 'near factory' Honda in 2009.

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What has been happening in the Alice team is maybe due to Dantin way of managing the team, he was getting the money then, no parts coming, mechanics not getting pay, normal the money was going to all the business he had beside, then someons start to look at all of this and get rid of him, Ducati has been helping but the best way is maybe to start all over again, start on the right foot,meaning to solve all the problem Dantin did cause, how a team can be working in thoses conditions, mid season some mechanic were still waiting their money from last ye**********

Posted by Patrice - Unregistered (368 days ago)

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G M "I've heard all the arguments before about twins deserve this and that but it's all rubbish. If so why are there not different rules for v4's v inline 4's?" It's the number of cylinders that makes the difference, not the arrangement, because 4 small cylinders have a larger intake area to volume ratio than 2 big ones for a given total capacity. Intake area is the major factor in power development. Roughly, a 25% increase in piston size means 100% more capacity, but the intake area only goes up by around 50%, so intake area to volume ratio is reduced by 50%. That's the reason for the rule. Slightly greater friction losses in fours, greater weight etc, make a "fair" formula hard to decide.

Posted by motomito - Unregistered (368 days ago)

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Come on ladies! Of course Toni isn't going to be singing Ducatis praises with his generally poor performances this year, personally i can't remember any rider leaving a team that hasn't done so. If I really try, I can even recall a certain talented italian that left HRC with the championship under his arm, even had a few choice words about the company that helped get him there. It happens all the time, and it won't be the last, afterall like many sports, big dollars exposes big egos, unfortunately it can also expose inconsistency, and relatively mediocre talent and motivation amongst certain company, just ask Marco.

Posted by Bob Buttamasangy (367 days ago)

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Regarding Ducati in WSB and BSB and whether the extra 200cc was an advantage or not,well how come Bayliss and Shakey won their championship by over 100 points??? Thrashing all the other bikes which have had 3 years developement?? I think thats why people get fed up with the Ducati's.By the way i dont ride any bikes, just the missus,well she has been known as the local bike!!!!!!!!!!!,hahahahahahaha.

Posted by simon - Unregistered (367 days ago)

1 disagrees.

So Rossi's 93 point advantage at the end of this season on a bike which was on average only 6th fastest is down to what exactly? Where did other Ducati riders like Camier and Rutter finish in BSBK, or Fabrizio in WSBK? I'm not saying the formula is necessarily correct, but you have to look at more than one rider's results.

Posted by motomito - Unregistered (367 days ago)

1 agrees.

I wonder if Honda will try to beat Ducati at their own game and produce a 1200cc twin to spank them (see Colin Edwards on the SP1 and SP2... would be fun...

Posted by 1050cc (367 days ago)

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What is wrong with some of you here?! Elias was quite spectacular this season.. On Ducati satellite made it even more spectacular..!

This maybe debatable, put Elias on 2008 Ducati Marlboro team to replace Marco Melandri.. He would have given us a good show.. This guy is a madman!

Posted by Buji - Unregistered (367 days ago)

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Elias results back up his explanation, when they got the upgraded parts the results for both riders improved when they lost them the results slumped, Elias can be inconsistent but there is no denying he can be fast, his team mate at Alice did well on the Tech 3 Yamaha in 2007 but you have to admit the Dunlop tires were not up to much, the Tech 3 boss said Guintoli was a very promising rider who he was sad to loose but Yamaha had the final say, look at how he has struggled on the Alice bikes.
For Ducati to support the level of racing they do in both Moto gp and WSB given the volume of bikes they sell you would have to say sponsors are paying a lot of money to support them. cont....

Posted by Rossconz - Unregistered (367 days ago)

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cont.. This is not to detract from their performances because they certainly know how to get horse power from engines! the Tech 3 Yamaha team has very good bikes not far behind the Fiat team but they were on Michelin tires which were behind the 8 ball, the Gresini bikes are not too far behind the Repsol bikes either, in all cases the "official" bikes recieve the up dates first which is to be expected, certainly Nankano recieved updated parts during the season which he said was a plus. getting away from the subject but Mamola described Stoner as a "robot rider" he meant that out of all the riders Stoner relies on electronics 100%, he did NOT say Stoner was a bad rider though!

Posted by Rossconz - Unregistered (367 days ago)

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Results speak hey Rossconz. If the Tech 3 bike was only just behind the Fiat bikes, then both riders have no place in GP. Lorenzo was also on Michelin tyres and he finished way above the Tech 3 riders.

The only reason why Nakano was given a full spec bike was to be the test mule for Pedrosa's move to Bridgestone mid season. Hell they could not even supply Hayden with what he wanted, how were the Gresini bikes ever going to get the goods.

I also find these comments about robot rider and electonics utter rubbish. There were not any electronic aids on the drit track bike he rode. If anything it taught him how to control a bike. I guess Stooner in the wet proves he can ride a bike unlike some

Posted by Spoilt brat VR - Unregistered (367 days ago)

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