MotoGP » Honda NSR500: 'The greatest grand prix machine'

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spencer fan - Unregistered

March 31, 2012 8:07 AM

Anybody with a keen eye will of course note that half of that video was shot using NS500 TRIPLES NOT THE 4 POT NSR500 WHICH CAME IN 1984. Spencers first championship bike in 83 was the 3 pot NS500!!!! only in 84 did he have the NSR500. In 85 he used both the triple for wet rides and the four pot NSR in dry races.

TZ750 - Unregistered

March 31, 2012 12:30 AM

Yes .... MM is right. If the entire Grid becomes 2-Stroke it will truly become Proto-Type as currently most off the shelf items are 4-Stroke and no one can blame one another and aquire others technology for a few $$$$$. Might be a good idea to Scrap everything & bring in a common BRP-FI 2-Strokes to MOTOGP like Moto-2.

The Engine should have defined set of Gear Box & Electronics at a fair praise. Then interested parties can go and build their Rolling Chassis & Aero Kit with a Maximum Price Cap to Keep cost at resonable levels. Similar Caps can be used on the usage of Brakes & Suspension Components. Factories Who wish to participate can take part as well as sell the Rolling Chassis & Aero Kit for agreed price with minimum no of availability that has been agreed upon.

Further a 999-Triple(130KG), 666-Twin(110KG)& 333-Single(85KG) With Max RPM Cap & Super Long Life Engine .. all based on the same Cylinder Bore would make the series more afforadable & Fun with less Factory politics.


MM - Unregistered

March 30, 2012 11:48 PM

I was looking at a photo of an NSR engine with expansion chambers on its own the other day. The lightweight and compact inline 'V4' is a minimalist work of art compared with the complex lump of the RC212/3V engines. One of the things people tend to forget when they talk about the inefficiency of 2 strokes compared to 4s is that, except for static engines, work has to be done accelerating their own mass. One of the changes I'd love to see introduced to the MotoGP rules would be a reasonable capactity/weight/fuel allowance formula for 2 stroke powered CRTs as the costs for new engine suppliers would be a fraction of that required to develop a four stroke.

Hemmy - Unregistered

March 30, 2012 11:28 PM

@pete, ok so who do you think the 'king of the 800's' was then?

Stoner has acheived more than anyone during the whole 800 era. Add to that the fact that he did most of it on the Ducati (the bike that the almighty Rossi cant do anything on and can only just beat Hayden on), and id say that its a safe bet to say that Stoner was the 'king of the 800's'.

If you dont want to admit that Stoner is the king of the 800's, at last admit that he has done better than anyone else out there with more success than anyone.

In actual fact, since Stoner came up to Moto GP, there isn't a single current rider that has better stats than him. And yes that includes the mighty Rossi.

As someone else said, weak competition or not, Rossi has acheived alot in the past, but now there are better and faster riders than him and he just cant cut the mustard anymore.

amakusa - Unregistered

March 30, 2012 10:53 PM

gar it seems to me the crts are mostly working with aprilia, bmw n kawasaki, hardly experienced in gp, they are at rnd stage at best. itll take years n lots of mistakes to evolve. and for sure honda n yamaha arent gonna just give or sell their winning formula easily. That leaves with ducati to be successful if honda n yamaha ditch their gp program. N they can easily do so n concentrate on wsbk.

gar - Unregistered

March 30, 2012 6:54 PM

@ amakusa. yes that would be a good point if crts had to start from a blank piece of paper and reinvent the motorcycle. seein as the are taking advatage of all the technology discoverd over them decade it doesnt make much sense

amakusa - Unregistered

March 30, 2012 6:30 PM

Honda went from low power with high handling to one of the most powerful bikes on grid. Yamaha went from unrideable power, unreliable with worst handling to the sideways going m1 it is now. From 2 strokes to 4 strokes, screamer to big bang. How manufacturers have aged n evolved to what they are today over decades of racing. And there are pple who expect crts are to take the reign in 2013?


March 30, 2012 6:20 PM

talking about competition don't make much sense, to be wc's they beat the oposition that's what matter.

Saying that stoner is the king when another rider as the same number of wc's, don't make much sense.

Winning races don't mean that much, lets face it. Stoner made 6 wins in 2008 and no wc. In 2009 with the same 6 wins rossi win the title. In 2006 rossi was the rider with most wins, hayden win the title. Last year in moto2, marquez had the must wins bradl win the title.

Because rossi aren't competitive in ducati don't make stoner the king of 800's, the present performance don't change the past performance (achivements).

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