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Yeah Madmonk, you are absolutely right. I love the same ... But I believe that Lorenzo is an opponent surpassing any expectation and being much better than any of Valentino's former arch rivals. I might be wrong, but I just feel that more and more watching those two on the track. The "win it or bin it" fashion of ridding was absolutely the most attractive fashion of Vale's racing. But that fashion was appropriate in times when he had no equals around the track. Nowadays....maybe those times are changing.