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I do not understand any of your logic on here. It al depends on what people prefer and what criteria is being used to judge the racers! if you use the same criteria then then in each category a different rider will be the best. OK..lets talk wins..Rossi has everyone by a mile!(but he has also been in longer) lets talk title..Rossi has everyone beat as well which is what matters in the end but ok lets talk 800cc wins..Stoner is the man..but has 1 less title than Rossi nd so does Lorenzo who cannot hold a light to Stoner and Rossi on race wins. PS Stoner was champ in his second year (first year on Ducati) so that to me is a bigger achievement than JL 3rd year on Yamaha! Rossi also won title on 2nd year in Grand Prix. So stop comparing apples to oranges..pick a category and make ur point... In the end Rossi has them all and they are all trying to live up to that!