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What Yamaha or Ducati do now or did in the off season has nothing to do with Honda's success. In a time when Yamaha is trying to deal with economic troubles (may be the reason Vale is gone) and Ducati revamped their entire racing program (to get Rossi) Honda made a better bike. They are untouchable just like when the V5 was introduced. The tech from Indy and F1 was applied to GP and it is probably more of an advantage in the wet were smooth matters most. Stoner probably would have won Jerez too if he was able to be on 2 wheels during the whole race. Rossi would be pushing as hard as Jorge is and crashing or throwing in the towel after chasing the Honda's too. I think JLo is doing an amazing job of trying to keep the Honda's honest. The poor guy must ahve been gutted to be pushing so hard while leading Danni earlier in the year and seeing Danni decide to go by and drop him on a whim... We need Yamaha to catch up so we can find out how good the Honda really is, I don't think that'