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If the 800 was detuned even with the electronics, he must be talking about a great deal more torque to deal with, with the new 1000's...this is probably the biggest reason why motogp HAVE to get rid of rider aids...the last guy that impressed on that front, very little electronics, you would never guess...Sylvain Guintoli... don't ask me why, just ask Ducati !! It makes us all wonder what the pecking order would be without such aids, I've no doubt Rossi and Stoner can handle anything but what about Lorenzo as his 250 style suits the assistance ?? Pedrosa can and could handle a lot more than he's given credit for.. IF he was half even Stoners size he'd be a genuine threat !!