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Ok so now I guess I will move us to the next argument! "Well Rossi had the best bike and the best kit etc. etc" back in the day. You know a proven fact! the not so best riders on the best kits still do not achieve much. Let's see Pedrosa on the honda! Dovi on the Honda, (hate to say it) but my favourite rider Super Sic (race in peace my brother)did not really achieve what he should have in 2011 on the factory Honda. Ben Spies (also one of my favorites) did not do that well (arguably since we thought he would at least beat Lorenzo more often). Me or you on the factory Honda...yea can you say lapped by CRT! So that argument is nil. The rider still has to put the best bike on the top step and consistently to take a title and many did not and could not!!!! Rossi did, Casey did! Lorenzo did! WOW you mean the only 3 champs in 12 years!!! yes that is what I mean! and all on the best kits!! make sense to me!