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@david .... how is wat i said pathetic u gimp, new gloves that havent been brokin in can cut the circulation off and it wasnt till the last 4 or so laps that it was evident there was a problem and it wasnt tyre wear so dont go and blame that no will u and yes i watched the race to, and what u thought was casey wringin the neck off the honda was actually casey riden within his limits