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@hamlet I think that was hayden whinging or Stoner from a few years ago or a few days ago it fits. As someone else pointed out I think Vale spat the dummy and maybe they are doing the changes he asked for. Yes not a massive improvement but given that the bike was built just in time for the first test session and the likes of Honda did not win a 800 until the last season shows that development can be painfully slow. Also Stoner and the Honda in 2011 as a perfect confluence of a bike coming together and rider who could get the most out of it. Pedrosa is not a championship rider or indeed in my opinion really part of the alien group, he can win on occassion.