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I agree 100% with you,yes the rider gives feed back and that is important,but when engineers sit down to build and develope a bike eg engine,frame,suspension etc.how much input does a rider give? I would say zero and the reason I say that most of the riders left school at 14 and if you asked them to do a year 10 maths problem most of them could not do it,but on the other side could I ride a bike at 300kph like they do only in my dreams.so like I said riders ride bikes engineers build and develope bikes.