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SwissJudge could not agree more there is a reason Yam and Honda trade places they both throw buckets of money at it. People crap on about redesign this multiple frames, really Duc haven't done much in two years and the complaints that Rossi made haven't been addressed. Equally who says that the things Ducati are developing are any good. And finally alot of this is won through electronics and I think Duc aren't even in the ballpark there. Yep your rep will take a hit but win a race with Honda or Yam and that memory will quickly be forgotten.