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If Loris was 26 or 27 years old you can bet that to Stoner play with him he would need to puch Harder..lol Like i say before i will not speack for Loris i dunno what he pass to become so bad on the Ducati.. If you wach 2007 results he had qualifis and races that where so bad that i can only say he was injure or somethingh, was like waching Casey on the top 3 and Loris on the 3 last places..lolo somethingh that dont really tell the tru because he also had qualifys where he was better then Casey and also some podiuns and maybe a win like you guys say..