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Who really cares what Mick has to say? How many titles did he win? That's right, not anywhere near as many as Vale has. Also, Ago, while great, had a crazy advantage machinery-wise & rode in 2 classes simultaneously. Nowadays, the first 10 guys are spread out over very smallest margins of time, even considering the Ducati. The modern bikes ride on the razors edge of the limit of what's possible given the laws of physics. Vale is the GOAT. Still, every rider has a peak. Until we wait & see, nobody knows. A little harsh for the haters to state he has to win titles for another 15 years to earn his namesake. Success has different meanings for different stages in one's life/career.