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@the same guy with different names....laguna08 was epic, for Vale's race craft. beating a guy who's more than a sec fast every lap. Vale's used to getting elbowed off the track and still come back and win the race, that's the stuff hez made up of. but ur hero(i'm respecting him) couldnt even take somethin like laguna 08. as far as LS12...ur hero got a tailored made bike in 07, won the title, and pushed ducati into darkness after that for 3 years and handed it to Vale...ask Mr Suzuki, HRC Boss...who considers Vale as the best racer...who says.."Vale doesnt moan like other riders...he just says fix this(coz he gives precise feedback) and i'll do the rest.." sorry to mess up ur head pal...