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Ah.. but Wylie, its the manner in which you deal with those problems. Just go and check out the post-race interviews and compare both riders demeanour when stuff has gone bad. There is a world of difference. It's not just about what you say, but how you say it. The same story when either of them had a good result!. Caseys 'Moaner' tag didn't just spring out of nowhere. Anyway, Mr Honda seems to think differently to you judging by his comments elsewhere on here...I suspect he has had a pretty good insight into both riders.