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@ Samas and Tetley. I initiated a couple of things and you two have carried on without me. I've had a bit of a sulk but I'm Ok now.
I've enjoyed your posts and you've both come up with things that I would have said. If I can come back in I was at Silverstone, in the pits, when Bill and Phil were both Works Yam riders. Ivy approached Reads van and asked phil how much oil to put in the bike. Phil, a hard bar stool, wouldn't tell him. Bill is much missed, unfortunate way to die.
I'm happy that more than one old f-rt still enjoys the sport. I too never heard the V8 (which incidently was Lomas' baby) but vividly remember all the others.