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I agree crt, one thing we can agree on is that as of their time together, lorenzo has more consistent than rossi has been.. but perhaps not, rossi was consisently middle of the pack with only 3 podiums with ducati so maybe not. but definitely as of 08 since joining motogp, it has been lorenzo all the way. lets make a friendly wager.. i say rossi will have 3 or less wins, would you take 4 or more? seems fair for a man they call the "goat" especially now that hes on arguably the best bike in motogp right? yes there is new competetion, are you saying his success was due to a lack of talented riders from 01-05? just curious