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To reiterate, since I feel I may have digressed a little. Also to answer your question CRT, yes, I would put Lorenzo, Stoner and Pedrosa on the same level as Biaggi, Cappirossi (in his prime), Gibernau (before his shoulder and troubles), Rainey, Swantz and of course, Rossi. It's just a matter of opinion and you are of course entitled to your reaction to that opinion. Will Marquez be listed amongst these greats in the future? Quite probably...which afterall is what this thread is about isn't it?