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Plus Ron, Ago only started his run of wins on the MV once Mike left MV. So if he could not beat Mike on the same bike I think that also shows a lot. Being the eternal optimist I don't think age is that much of a determinate. As for not being good enough are we saying ever or simply now. Obviously Rossi did not gel with the Duc, however the Yam plays to Rossi's strengths. Dani owned everyone in the second half of the season including jorge and casey. I know it was a while ago but Rossi has beaten both Casey, Dani and Stoner and equally the only one to defend a title (well since he last defended a title). Casey on the bike to have could not do that but Dani seemed to really master it. Come on 2013 in any event it should be the best racing in years.