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Also, its a bit unfair to compare successes from past eras to recent times. case in point: stoner in only his 2nd year in motogp, 1st year with ducati, won the title. rossi, with all his prior years of gp experience and titles, only managed 1 podium in his 1st year at ducati.. a bit unfair right? my point is a lot of things have happened between 2003-now. the competition increased as well as the bikes becoming a lot more closer in performance, save for the gp11.1, gp12 and probably the gp13.