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Rossi and Lorenzo are very talented riders,no arguments from me there.But i do think they won their titles because they were on superior bikes.Rossi has proved beyond doubt over the last 2 years, that he needs the best kit to win.Lorenzo would not have won the title this year if he was on a satellite bike,regardless of his awesome talent.Everyone who has won the title for as far back as i care to remember has been on a bike that was the best THAT YEAR,and it was always a factory machine.Regardless of how talented the rider is,that cannot be a coincidence.As Billace has just said,Stoner was the anomaly in the equation.He could win a race on a bike that was clearly inferior to the Yams and Hondas.But he was a one off whos talent was quite exceptional.but i dont think even he would have put a satellite on the top of the podium.The bottom line is,to win the title,you have to be on a factory bike AND have the talent to make the most of it.