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I read on another forum how Hayden was as fast as Rossi on the Duc. As others have stated Rossi made a difference. And finally the voice of reason, only a blind man could not see that Duc are the problem not the riders, I firmly believe that Stoner new what was wrong just as Vale did they won't listen. And every year Duc stands still while the other move on which is why comparing what Stoner did in 2010 to what Vale faced in 2011 and 2012 especially is flawed Yam and Honda both made major steps particularly in 2012 and Stoner would have faced a similar outcome possibly falling more often as he tried to do the impossible Vale simply decided I am not going to do, common sense in my opinion especially if the factory ignores you.