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Until Jorge Lorenzo proves himself on the Ducati, he cannot be considered a true champion. Even Valention Rossi who is a nine time champion is not a true champion. A true champion can ride a difficult bike and bring it to multiple championships. And that rider who has proven himself better than Agostino, Valentino Rossi, or Mick Doohan is Casey Stoner. The Ducati is the standard. A rider has to be a champion on it to be the GOAT.