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Goat I won't waste my time pointing out the confluence of issues that came together to secure Stoner his Championship in 2007. A big part was Stoner but not solely. Equally we have seen his wins diminish considerably over those 4 years to the point where on balance it was likely that in 2012 he would not have won a race. As for Honda once again great rider but also great bike and explain to me why he did not repeat in 2012 and was outridden by his teammate on the same bike (if he is the greatest rider).