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@Tetley, I am primarily a Ducati fan. I respect Stoner greatly, simply because he rode the Ducati brilliantly. In my opinion, he's right up there with one Michael Hailwood (RIP) as a result of that effort. I was responding to Codger, who brought Stoner into the conversation. Stoner isn't my man, but I respect his ability, and challenge his detractors from time to time. It amuses me. You'll see that I have also challenged Ben Spies detractors, JLOs, Bradley Smiths and so on. I have even defended Rossi's current situation. But, that defence might appear less than enthusiastic in the face of the deluge of fan boy comments proclaiming the ridiculous. I commented on Codger's post. As a Rossi fan, he is normally relatively circumspect, but as he is a long time race fan, I thought he would know how little input Stoner had into the Ducati Rossi inherited. For me, Rossi performed as well on the Ducati as Ago would have done on Hailwood's Honda...And Hailwood didn't "develop" that bike either,