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@damo why did Stoner get 23 wins on it when nobody else from 08 had any? Yes the other bikes changed but the ducati was still a bike capable of wins and poles in 09 and 10. Stoner could at least challenge for podiums if not wins while rossi was barely able to fight for top 5 finishes... on the exact same bike stoner hopped off for the first 6 races of 11. With all the support he had at Ducati, his results were disappointing. Ducati didn't listen to stoner because he was still winning so why change it? When Rossi came I think that bike changed more times in those 2 seasons than it ever did when stoner was there.