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dudley well said ........ yes ive raced and won.... but not internationally... never that good.... yes i could kick the ass of mr average and was full on in my involvement . but you know ,the guys at the back of this grid have skill levels people on here could never comprehend, not even in there wildest fantasys. they have extra abillity that we dont have... when youve given all you can to attain this level and failed you eventually realise what god given talent is...so much more than trying your heart out or riding on the edge or over it...bravado ,dedication etc etc.....these are special.. and thats the guys at the back of this grid....who never even get a mention on here....the guys at the front ...not even the really fast guys with talent can comprehend them..... theyre that fast... we should respect and enjoy them all...