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I would like to know when did Ducati became the measuring stick by which champions are measured. As far as I'm concerned Stoner as good as he was maneged only to win all but 1 champioship with them and went down hill after that tothe point that he bailed out and went to Honda, because the freaking bike kept getting worst. Not putting Stoner down, but we can all agree that he came to Ducati at the right time in 2007, and yes he is a good rider, but every year following 07 he won less and less on that bike. And I will go as far as to say that if was to jump on his 09 Ducati or todays bike he wouldbe riding around somewhere between 5-8 place. Pure and simple, and not because of a lack of talent, but because of the bike.